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I think I need to be committed to a institution... I kinda want a .40 S&W Sigma.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Miami_JBT, Nov 29, 2020.

  1. Miami_JBT

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    I was given a free 14rd SW40C/SW40VE magazine. Now, I'm fully wedded to GLOCK for all my striker fire needs (with a XD or two on the side as mistresses). But as you know, magazines are like little freedom seeds and when planted, they germinate and grow.

    So how frakking crazy am I? Should I actually buy a Sigma? Yeah, a Sigma.... not the improved SD line but a actual SW40C or SW40VE Sigma.

    I'm quasi stalking the guns online at the moment and the average selling price during the panic is about $350. Not bad, but not great either. I remember when they were being sold for under $299 new.

    So, should I actually go through with it and snag one? Or should I be rational and sane and just trade the mag at my local pawnshop for another Beretta 96 mag from their parts bin?
     
  2. mokin

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    Get the pistol. Their triggers aren't the best but generally they aren't bad guns. If you just can't stand it, I don't see them going down in price.
     
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  3. mgmorden

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    Nothing wrong with them but I wouldn't buy one right now - everything is too expensive so unless you're buying a gun that you have a need for (eg, you just turned 21 and you need a gun to carry), then I wouldn't buy almost anything at the moment. Wait for things to settle down some.

    When that time comes go ahead and get one for the $200-250 that they typically sell for. Heck it was 3 years back but I got a SW357V (the Sigma in .357 SIG - somewhat rare as they only made like 1,800 in that caliber total) for $230 off of Gunbroker.
     
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    You do know the magazines for the SW versions will fit the SD guns don't you? I have both in 9mm and started with the SW many years ago. It has been 100% reliable so far. And its not for sale. It has been my truck gun of choice for many years now. I just bought an SD9VE and the mags will swap out. And those that say the new SDs have a better feel to them are telling the truth and the SD triggers are also better right out of the box.

    If you want the 40 cal version I say go for it. I also just bought a Glock 17 and I'm not sure the Glock was worth the extra $250 I paid over the SD9VE I bought new for $289.00.
     
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  5. mokin

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    That really sounds sweet!
     
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    Very. Seek help.

    Yes, because (insert usual reasons here).
     
  7. Miami_JBT

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    I thought the difference in floor plates made an issue. I get GLOCKs are Blue Label prices.
     
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    I remember seeing the SW357V guns being auctioned off. They are pretty rare.
     
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    The floor plate is different but the mags are the same. My BIL can get me a Blue Label Glock if I want it. I may let him get me a 26 down the road.
     
  10. mgmorden

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    Your statement is correct, but just so that everyone is aware: the floor plates are different, but compatible. It's just a visual aspect and you don't need to swap the floorplates.
     
  11. jmr40

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    The 1st generation Sigma's were pathetic. They EARNED a reputation as a POS. But to their credit Smith apparently did correct the issues and by all accounts the newer guns are much better. I still can't think of a good reason to buy one though.

    I owned one of the original guns for about 5 months. I never got a full box of ammo through the gun and it went back to S&W 3 times in that 5 months. The gun literally was only under my roof for maybe 5 days out of the 5 months I owned it. This was about the time Smith was introducing the "improved" version and after the 3rd failure in less than 50 rounds of ammo I convinced them to just replace my gun with one of the new versions.

    I never fired the new pistol. The shop where I made the initial purchase allowed me the full purchase price I'd paid 5 months earlier for the unfired Smith in trade for a new Glock. I never looked back at the Sigma.
     
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  12. Miami_JBT

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    I was under the impression that the older floor plates caused an issue where the magazines wouldn't properly fit the newer SD line.

    I recall playing with both of them at SHOT when Big Blue was still making the SW9/40VE line and they just introduced the SD line when it came from factory with a melonite finish and night sights. The S&W rep said something about the mags not being compatible.
     
  13. 1KPerDay

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    interesting because I loved my first Gen 15 shot .40 Sigma. Many boxes of ammo through it and it never missed a beat. Good trigger too. I sold it to a buddy and he still has it and it’s going strong. I would gladly buy it back.
     
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  14. Arkansas Paul

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    I bought one.
    It felt great in the hand, and it never jammed but I couldn't hit anything with it.
    Of course the trigger was terrible like everyone mentions, but I don't know if that's the only reason or not.
    I traded it off.
     
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    Nah - I own both and can assure they can swap back and forth :).

    EDIT: Well, let me correct that - as long as you have the "V" version of the Sigma they will swap back and forth. The "F" version of the Sigma does use a different magazine, but those are a bit rarer.
     
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  16. JERRY

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    i had one of the Sigma VE guns about 20 years ago, it was a good gun for the price. the sights were like the cheap Glock plastic sights and the trigger had a longer pull than a Glock but very nice compared to most revolvers.
     
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    I had a VE gun in 9mm. Just like with a boat, 2 happy days. The gun worked, but there was nothing nice about it. Crap trigger, crap accuracy, but very dependable. Mine was somewhere to the tune of a 6 inch gun at 7 yards with the majority of the group low and left. If I shot it instinctively it was centered on target better but still was a 6” gun at 7 yards which for my purposes at the time meant it was worthless due to failing accuracy tests. I wouldn’t even use it as a backup while deer hunting. I sold it to a coworker as a nightstand gun. That was at least a dozen years ago balms I bet he still hasn’t shot it.

    Long story short, skip it.
     
  18. Miami_JBT

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    Well, my local pawn shop swapped the mag for me. So that seed will never germinate in my garden. Got a 13rd XD-45 for it.

    Oh well.....

    I do recall the Tennessee State Police issuing the SW9F for a very short period of time and them having nothing but issues with the gun.
     
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    I bought 6 9mm and 6 .40 first Gen Sigmas from a going out of business gun shopin 95 or 96 . I sold the ones I thought were the lesser ones for $300 each (I paid $2500 for the lot wit a pile of extra magazines) , gave away a couple to sons and a couple to friends and kept the best 9mm and .40 one for myself. They all ways functioned 100% for me, I had 10 extra mags for each and put special lightened trigger springs in and smoothed the interior parts a bit . They were great guns and gave the last 9mm away to twenty two year old grand daughter who is a night nurse in Oregon this year. The .40 is still a truck gun with 7 loaded mags in the locker in truck. It is plenty accurate for defensive uses to 25 yards !
     
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    That first gen SD was one of the most comfortable grips I've ever handled; I remember it all these years later.

    The rest of the gun, though......

    Larry
     
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    yes, the grip was a natural pointer and a great fit for my hands.
     
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    I have the SW9VE, and while the trigger is sorta....crappy, It shoots where you point it.
    I think it's a good looking gun, comfortable and all that, but I really don't like the "rail".
     
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    once ya pull that awful trigger you'll be cured. seriously it's that bad.
     
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    Have you shot an ORIGINAL, PRE-LAWSUIT SW40F? Because the trigger was as good as any Glock trigger I have. After they had to put a bunch of extra springs in them for the SW40VE or whatever the crap it was, yes, the triggers were bad.
     
  25. jhb

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    yes, and other post lawsuit versions as well. the direct glock copy was sort of close to a glock trigger I agree, but i didn't feel it was as good. obviously debatable, but so is whether a glock trigger is any good either.:) many seem to want to change them for some reason. I dont mind glocks but that's for a different thread.

    isnt op talking about the post lawsuit ones or did I get lost on that? if I went astray my apologies to the op for being way off the mark.

    the post lawsuit ones are really really bad. they make the p11 trigger seem useable for a range gun.
     
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