I turned my Vaquero into a practical carry piece!

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C&L, Nice rig! Is the knife a Moore Maker?

Saxon Pig. Your points are well made and valid. No argument here.

Who was it said that the purpose of a handgun is to fight your way back to your rifle? Clint Smith, maybe?
 
we must make do with the DEFENSIVE weapon (the handgun) that does the job best for us.

That's not a SA revolver. Is the SA useless? No. Is it my first choice? No. Is it the best choice? No. Are there better options? Yes.

Exactly. If I have even a hint that trouble may be coming when I'm away from home...and a rifle/shotgun...I want a 1911...but the truth is that my chances of actually needing to reach for a gun are about as slim as my chances of winning the powerball. For general knockin' around the ol' homestead and runnin' down to Michael's Grocery or to Food Lion at High Rock Landing...I feel not at all disadvantaged with a SA revolver.

In cool weather, I can tuck it into the front of my waistband cross-draw fashion and cover it with a sweatshirt as slick as a button, and I can have it in my hand and ready to go about as fast as I can with a 1911 on my hip, covered by the same garment with even less chance of snagging it.

And...being the paranoid sort...I've considered that a SA revolver...like the lever-action carbine...is the most politically correct repeating handgun there is. I know that if it's a good shoot, it's a good shoot and the platform "shouldn't" make a whit of difference...but juries tend to be unpredictable critters. If only one member has bought into the semi-auto tripe...he/she can hang you out to dry based on that unfounded aversion. John Wayne's six-shooter is much less likely than a "Glock Fo-Tay" to draw hoots from the crowd and predetermined mindsets from uneducated and unconvinced hoplophobes.

Ralph! I want a rig like that! Where did you get it?

Oh...I don't do the CAS scene, by the way, and don't intend to. I just like single-action revolvers. First love that I never quite got over. :cool:
 
C&L, Nice rig! Is the knife a Moore Maker?

Yes...good eye! The knife is a Moore Maker, carbon steel and sharp as a scapel. :cool:


Ralph! I want a rig like that! Where did you get it?

Johnny...I don't remember, had it a long time. The holster is for a Colt Trooper 4". One day I stuck the 3.5" Beretta SA in it out of curiosity and it was a perfect fit...fills the leather to the bottom. The snap/strap even fits the SA right when I use it. :)
 
well, my only two cents on the subject matter are this; I have shot many handguns and have two that come to mind as being the most intuitively pointing and accurate. One was my taurus pt99 and it took me thousands of rounds for it to get that way for me. The other was a 4.5" barreled ruger SAA. I never before had fired the ruger and it for that matter was the first SAA I ever fired, but watching those big old bullets (.45LC) fall one on top of the other at 7yrds using only the front sight post made me happy. If you keep the chambers clean they reload pretty quick too. I wouldn't take one back to Iraq with me, but I wouldn't feel the least bit unarmed going to the store to grab a case of beer either.
 
the taurus btw is my daily carry weapon and a walther ppk/s by interarms for light clothes and wet places.
 
38 Special- Yes, we all are aware that a handgun makes an inferior weapon compared to a rifle (and thank you for pointing out the obvious). Unfortunately, civilians are generally prohibited from carrying a rifle around town and I really wouldn't want to go about my business with my FAL in my hand, anyway, so we must use our intelligence and realize that we must make do with the DEFENSIVE weapon (the handgun) that does the job best for us.

That's not a SA revolver. Is the SA useless? No. Is it my first choice? No. Is it the best choice? No. Are there better options? Yes.

That's all I am saying.

What you are saying is that the best option for you must be the best option for everyone. This deserves rebuttal, no matter how convinced you may be of your own opinion.
 
Who was it said that the purpose of a handgun is to fight your way back to your rifle? Clint Smith, maybe?

Yep. Heard that one, too. It appears to makes perfect sense...in theory...but it assumes a lot that may or may not be possible in the real world.

It assumes that...if you're under fire, and your rifle is in the trunk of your car or behind the seat of your pickup, that your attackers are going to hold their fire while you fumble for your keys...get the rifle out of whatever it's zipped up in...lock and load...and return to the fight...instead of taking advantage of your diverted attention to flank you and wait for your head to reappear and shoot it fulla holes.

Uh-huh.

I'd say that if you don't have your rifle in hand when the fight starts, your chances of getting to it and getting it in action...alive... are fairly slim.

The late, great Yogi Berra once said:

"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice...they ain't."
 
amen to that, SAA's for everyone

Heheh... Nah, an SAA wouldn't be the best choice for me, though I wouldn't exactly feel unarmed with one. I'm just not omniscient enough to proclaim that they aren't the best choice for someone else. Anyone who's seen a champion fast draw shooter, for instance, would think twice before starting a gunfight with him, regardless of how many cartridges his plastic-fantastic might hold.

As for Clint Smith, I like his stuff a lot, but don't see the "fighting your way to your rifle" deal as at all realistic. My impression of the typical civilian gun fight is that it's very fast, very ugly, and over within a few seconds. Again, the "extended gunfight with multiple magazine changes" scenario just doesn't seem to exist outside of competition.
 
An SAA wouldn't be the best choice for me, though I wouldn't exactly feel unarmed with one. I'm just not omniscient enough to proclaim that they aren't the best choice for someone else.

True enough. Any handgun is a pretty ineffectual thing to trust your life to. It's main attribute lies in the fact that it's packable.

The plain truth is that very few of us here...me included...have a genuine need to carry a sidearm. Guys who do normally carry two...or three.

98% of us carry because it comforts us, and because we can...and because it's better to have it and not need it than vice-versa...and in such an emergency, any gun is better than no gun.

Or, like the man said:

"It ain't much of a gun, but it sure beats throwin' rocks all to Helen Gone."
 
Prepster,
You have either good luck, or very good natural instncts. Rob Lehy is a mater craftsman. His holsters are just what the name implies, simplr rugged. What he doesn't tell you is that he knows about carrying concealed, and Big guns at that. I have a Sourdough for my 6.5" 629 classic. Yes, virginia, I really do carry a 44 magnum to work every day. On Sundays I carry two. The other one rides in a shoulder holster. And I carry at least two speed loaders, and sometimes four.

As a concealed carry instructor, I often run into people who think that concealed carry means a small gun. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you want to hit something, anything, you had better have a big gun. Not so much caliber wise, but weight, sight radius, and enough room to make the mechanicals inside smoooooth, so you can hit what you are shooting at. If your "pocket rocket" is not capable of enough accuracy to hit a snuff can lid at twenty five yards slow fire, and I mean in you hands, not in a machine rest, what is going to happen under stress? Will you be able to hit someone in the heart or brain at twenty five feet? not likely. It would be hard enough with a good shooting handgun. Remember, all handguns, even your .45 or my .44 magnum are poor excuses for power, although they both are stone killers on even large game. I try to make people understand that it is better to spend a good deal on a holster, and get something that works the first time than to get a box of junk. Very few of them listen.

If I could give you one more piece of advice? Wyat Earp was quoted as saying something like draw as fast as you want to, but take your damn sweet time aiming. We have a whole generation of gun school "instructors" teaching spray and pray with a handgun. I say hit what you shoot at ( the Heart or the brain) two or three times with a heavy caliber, medium speed bullet, and the fight is over. You are not justified to even draw your weapon unless you are truly about to lose your life, anyway, so stand your ground and shoot straight.

Single action disadvantage? I don't think so. If you know what you are doing, your thumb will have the hammer cocked, and your sights will fall back basically on the target, all during recoil. You just have to do it enough to get it into muscle memory. Folks will tell you that you can't do all that while you are under strss, but people fly airplanes in crash landings, drive dirt track cars in four wheel skids, and learn how to swim, box, and stay married, and all kinds of other things that demand a cool head during absolute terror. As a matter of fact, having something to occupy your mind will help you not to panic, if it is ingrained. You are on the right track, and keep up the good work.
 
Docmagnum357, thanks for the kind words. I learned the large gun lesson the hard way; I traded a PPK in for the Vaquero. The PPK had a fixed barrel and was very accurate if I really took my time, but it had tiny sights and an awkward grip (felt good in the store, not so much when I fired it). Sure, I could shoot it faster, but I would end up all over the place beyond 7-10 yards if I took advantage of that speed. The Vaquero is reasonably quick and accurate at the same time. Works for me.

I really didn't mean to spur this intense a debate about SA vs. DA vs. semi-auto, but I think what everyone can take away from this thread is that one should shoot what they are comfortable with, and everyone has different needs and different ways to fulfill those needs.
 
Prepster, nice set-up there, both iron and leather! :)

As for the wisdom of carrying an SA sixgun, well, if one is familiar with the weapon, it is not a bad choice. An SA that fits well is likely to point well, and will comfortably throw a big hunk of lead, which helps that all-important first shot really mean something. Most gunfights are over before the weapon is empty, for better or for worse.

Coyote3855: "I think Prepster is better armed with a six round Vaquero in .45 Colt than with, say, a 5 shot S&W snubbie .38 or a pocket rocket in .380 or 9mm."

I can agree with Coyote3855 there; J-frames and some pocket pistols have significant limitations of their own. A standard-sized SA handles so much better in practiced hands than an undersized weapon. I have tried and ultimately rejected several pocket pistols as just to clumsy to use effectively, and my hands are not large. The Kel-tec .32 is a particularly egregious example, with a PPK not too far behind. The Kel-tec was so small it squirmed during the trigger pull, no matter how hard I tried to stabilize it, and the PPK kicked way out of proportion to its power level, making quick follow-up shots more difficult that I thought reasonable.

Just to be clear, I am not advocating that someone who is not familiar with SA sixguns should choose such a weapon for personal defensive carry! I am saying that someone who knows his SA sixgun well is not being unwise if he chooses to carry such a weapon.
 
I am new to The High Road, but enjoyed this discussion so much I decided I would add a thought or two. History has long proven the effectiveness of the large caliber six gun . Although the advent of the double stack plastic wonder guns has changed the landscape of the qualification range, the bad guys are still being made in the same old format...and as such, one single .45 or .44 to the torso usually ends the dispute, regardless of how many rounds are in the magazine or missed their intended target. In the civilian world it is highly unlikely one would encounter a protracted exchange of voluminous gun fire in an effort to save the day (or one's life). And further, it is likewise highly unlikely that after having fired six rounds without settling things, that six more rounds would likely do any better by that point (everything having gone to pieces). If tomorrow a new gun were to appear that had a capacity of 30 rounds and was of practical size and weight and caliber for self defense, human nature would incline folks to drop our current wonder-guns and look at them as obsolete and inadequate...that's a psychological issue not a real world issue...one .45...one bad guy..."one riot, one Ranger".
 
I can't help but grin everytime I look at that picture Prepster, thanks again for posting it.

Haha, no problem. My housemates tell me I've lost my mind, but there's just something magical about having that big piece of iron on your hip that makes me not really care what they think :evil:.
 
My housemates tell me I've lost my mind, but there's just something magical about having that big piece of iron on your hip that makes me not really care what they think
Yeah i don't know what it is, but theres something almost enchanting about a Single-Action revolver. I'm really interested in them, but i don't know that it would be a practical first pistol, since i don't think i'll be able to buy another pistol for some time.
 
Nice rig. I think you made a fine carry choice. Start reloading if you have not already and go forth and shoot!
 
1911 Tuner: "It appears to makes perfect sense...in theory...but it assumes a lot that may or may not be possible in the real world."

I think Clint Smith, if that's who said it, was making the same point as others have made here. A handgun has limitations. Many situations would be resolved more efficiently by a long gun.

If I can be allowed another unattributed quote: An old timer was observed to be carrying a handgun and was asked, "Are you expecting trouble?" His response was "No, if I was expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle."

Babba bing....
 
The leather is fairly stiff at the moment, but I'd imagine like any leather holster it just needs a little time to loosen up.
Saddle soap ;).
An old timer was observed to be carrying a handgun and was asked, "Are you expecting trouble?" His response was "No, if I was expecting trouble I would have brought my rifle."
Exactly. If you are in a serious gun fight (I think the average number of shots fired is two) you use the pistol to get to the rifle. Guys, you can argue this either way, but when it comes down to it, something is better than nothing, and there is almost always something "better" than the something you carry in at least one person's eyes.
 
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