i will get a ccw as soon as i can but lets say i get caught before then.

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not that i do carry a concealed gun without a permit but if i did and where caught what would be the average penalty in most states like louisiana? a guess? i tried to look it up but came empty.

i have no criminal record.
 
if it's a misdemeanor you can walk it away.. but if it's a felony.. har not worth it.. so not worth it...

check your local laws. LA has been pretty crappy about that after the crime wave post katrina.
 
Don't do it

Here in Wa its a Misdemeanor however you can kiss the chance of getting a permit goodbye for a while. Not worth it. I take it your not 21 yet or you live in some state where its a long drawn out process to get a permit. Its well worth the wait and a weapons conviction is not something you want following you around. Not to mention if you do use your non legal sidearm in a legal shoot you leave yourself open to all sorts of nasty Civil and Criminal issues. Not worth it
 
If you use an "illegal" gun in self-defense, you might be in a world of trouble legally, but chances are you're better off than if you hadn't.

Obviously we can't advocate breaking the law, but we all say that the reason we (not me - I live in MD and am not rich) carry is to protect our lives and those of our loved ones. Not much of a comparison to the possibility of not being able to get a CCW in the future.

Glad to have gotten in before lockdown.
 
Well since you didn't list your state of residence there isn't much we can do to help.

I am assuming Louisiana since you mentioned that one.

packing.org users seem to agree that carrying in your car is alright in LA, as it's considered an extension of your home, so maybe that helps some.

While you are at home or in your car at least you are afforded protection of law to carry it appears, if there are not other laws regarding possession of a handgun under 21.

Here is how it is worded there, of course IANAL and all that other disclaimer stuff:

LRS 14:95.2 (C) (5)

Implies that a firearm contained entirely within a motor vehicle is in a constitutionally protected area and can not be regulated by the state. Our State Constitution only specifically gives the Legislature the power to regulate the concealed carry of weapons. (So anyone can carry a loaded firearm inside a motor vehicle in LA.
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Most Likely They Will Take Your Gun And Hold Till your In The Clear, At least thats what they Do Around Here, A guy i know has had his guns taken from him a couple of times because he just cant follow the rules:banghead: shooting within city limits while plinking close to the desert, concealed carry, ext. they held the guns for a couple of days they he went and picked them up. But why risk it?? Wait Till You Get You Permit, and only shoot where its legal!!:)
 
im 36. i just never got around to getting a permit. i will next week. im thinking of buying a kel tec p11 10 shot 9mm for a carry gun. any opinions on this gun? i like the fact i can use s&w 59 series 15 and 20 round magizines with it.
 
Too many variables. It depends on state law as well as the beliefs of the DA where you are charged. A pro-gun DA might let it slide, an anti-gun DA may well prosecute. If they do prosecute and you have a clean record, a good lawyer (if you can afford one and they ain't cheap) could probably get it plea bargained down to a misdemeanor or some sort -- something that won't remain on your record forever. But you just never know.
 
The part that protects me from some drug addict LEGALLY carrying a concealed weapon.
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Are you serious? Your statement is flawed on so many levels.
 
Zrex said:
The part that protects me from some drug addict LEGALLY carrying a concealed weapon.
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Are you serious? Your statement is flawed on so many levels.
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Let's not hijak the thread with this stuff, OK? There are plenty of "the second amendment is my permit" threads. Go find one of them to pursue this line of discussion.


cajun47, to answer you, it would be painful. Plenty of folks have done it, and will do it. Louisiana is unique in that its case law foundation dates back to France, and the rest of the nation uses English common law.

I can't comment specifically on carrying without a permit in a state that requires one, but it certainly won't be nice if it happens.

We all make our own choices . . .
 
Do you live in a small town where most people know everyone inclulding the police? I would not take the chance. Maybe legal in you auto. Carry a Emerson knife for awhile. :evil:
 
Alrighty then, back to actual topic. Cops have a lot of tools at their disposal besides handguns. Think along the lines of kubatons, knives, chemical sprays, tasers, stun guns, etc... Cops subdue people all the time using chemicals and electricity.
 
It really depends where your from. Here in PRK it would be a felony to have a such a large list of non firearm weapons that I won't even bother, as well as any a firearm. This states interpretation of RKBA is that it interferes with properly governing and policing citizens :p But that if you go out of your way and get permission and do more than is required for most states CCW permits you can legaly keep a handgun in your residence. You must of course lock it away in a totaly unusable state to travel to even a shooting range with it though. Only rich and famous, police (on or off duty) and criminals can protect themselves outside thier homes.
Carrying in the mountains or desert in the middle of nowhere is even illegal unless on a designated range I believe. To technicaly have a firearm while walking in the wilderness far from any authority or protection from animals (cougars, coyote, bear) or criminals is not authorized. You have to be 'hunting' to be permited which requires registering with the state and then having your firearm limited to the required hunting capacities etc. Even then concealed carry would likely be illegal. While open carry would get you questioned and possibly detained. If you had to actualy use said weapon in CA you are guilty till proven innocent.
 
Here in IL it is a felony. It is not worth risking it. THe flip side is that sometimes it is not worth the risk going without it.

If it was a misdemeanor I would probably think differently. I would just wait until I was 21 to be honest. I would also suggest that people start pressuring there reps to vote YES on the national reciprocity bill.

We need CCW here in IL, WI, and other states where it is almost impossible to get. Maryland and New York come to mind.
 
Which part of the 2nd says that you have to ask permission?
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The 2a is neither implicit nor explicit regarding concealed carry. IOW, it neither prohibits nor expressly allows it.

To make this point, I will defer to my own state's constitution (which I hold to be less open to interpretation on any level than the 2A):

Colorado State Constitution Article II, Section 13

Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person or porperty, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called into question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed as to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.

The United States Constitution BOR 2A is not as clear, and thus far no one has been able to make the argument that it allows for unconditional concealed carry.
 
Believing that the Second Amendment give you an absolute right to carry without further permits is one thing. Acting on it is another, the courts don't agree with that position anywhere that I have seen. You may find youself locked up with people who have different feelings about gay sex than you do.
 
Cajun47,
In Louisiana, if caught carrying concealed illegally, your punishment may range from a wink and a nod to being thrown face down in the dirt, cuffed, and convicted of a felony resulting in incarceration for two years at hard labor. You know how Louisiana is.

Macho chest beating advice to carry concealed in flagrant disregard for the law is ill advised.

These statues are easy enough to look up. They should not be guessed at. For further information, consult an attorney.

LA R.S. 14:95

A. Illegal carrying of weapons is:

(1) The intentional concealment of any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used or intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, on one's person; or

(2) The ownership, possession, custody or use of any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used as a dangerous weapon, at any time by an enemy alien; or

(3) The ownership, possession, custody or use of any tools, or dynamite, or nitroglycerine, or explosives, or other instrumentality customarily used by thieves or burglars at any time by any person with the intent to commit a crime; or

(4) The manufacture, ownership, possession, custody or use of any switchblade knife, spring knife or other knife or similar instrument having a blade which may be automatically unfolded or extended from a handle by the manipulation of a button, switch, latch or similar contrivance.

(5)(a) The intentional possession or use by any person of a dangerous weapon on a school campus during regular school hours or on a school bus. "School" means any elementary, secondary, high school, or vo-tech school in this state and "campus" means all facilities and property within the boundary of the school property. "School bus" means any motor bus being used to transport children to and from school or in connection with school activities.

(b) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply to:

(i) A peace officer as defined by R.S. 14:30(B) in the performance of his official duties.

(ii) A school official or employee acting during the normal course of his employment or a student acting under the direction of such school official or employee.

(iii) Any person having the written permission of the principal or school board and engaged in competition or in marksmanship or safety instruction.

B.(1) Whoever commits the crime of illegal carrying of weapons shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars, or imprisoned for not more than six months, or both.

(2) Whoever commits the crime of illegal carrying of weapons with any firearm used in the commission of a crime of violence as defined in R.S. 14:2(13), shall be fined not more than two thousand dollars, or imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not less than one year nor more than two years, or both. Any sentence issued pursuant to the provisions of this Paragraph and any sentence issued pursuant to a violation of a crime of violence as defined in R.S. 14:2(13) shall be served consecutively.

C. On a second conviction, the offender shall be imprisoned with or without hard labor for not more than five years.

D. On third and subsequent convictions, the offender shall be imprisoned with or without hard labor for not more than ten years without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.

E. If the offender uses, possesses, or has under his immediate control any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used or intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, while committing or attempting to commit a crime of violence or while in the possession of or during the sale or distribution of a controlled dangerous substance, the offender shall be fined not more than ten thousand dollars and imprisoned at hard labor for not less than five nor more than ten years without the benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence. Upon a second or subsequent conviction, the offender shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not less than twenty years nor more than thirty years without the benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence.

F. The enhanced penalty upon second, third, and subsequent convictions shall not be applicable in cases where more than five years have elapsed since the expiration of the maximum sentence, or sentences, of the previous conviction or convictions, and the time of the commission of the last offense for which he has been convicted; the sentence to be imposed in such event shall be the same as may be imposed upon a first conviction.

G.(1) The provisions of this Section except Paragraph (4) of Subsection A shall not apply to sheriffs and their deputies, state and city police, constables and town marshals, or persons vested with police power when in the actual discharge of official duties. These provisions shall not apply to sheriffs and their deputies and state and city police who are not actually discharging their official duties, provided that such persons are full time, active, and certified by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and have on their persons valid identification as duly commissioned law enforcement officers.

(2) The provisions of this Section except Paragraph (4) of Subsection A shall not apply to any law enforcement officer who is retired from full-time active law enforcement service with at least twelve years service upon retirement, provided that such retired officers have on their persons valid identification as retired law enforcement officers. The retired law enforcement officer must be qualified annually in the use of firearms by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and have proof of such qualification. This exception shall not apply to such officers who are medically retired based upon any mental impairment.

(3)(a) The provisions of this Section except Paragraph (4) of Subsection A shall not apply to reserve or auxiliary law enforcement officers qualified annually by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and who have on their person valid identification as retired reserve law or auxiliary municipal police officers. The retired reserve or auxiliary municipal police officer must be qualified annually in the use of firearms by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and have proof of such certification.

(b) For the purposes of this Paragraph, a reserve or auxiliary municipal police officer shall be defined as a volunteer, non-regular, sworn member of a law enforcement agency who serves with or without compensation and has regular police powers while functioning as such agency's representative, and who participates on a regular basis in agency activities including, but not limited to those pertaining to crime prevention or control, and the preservation of the peace and enforcement of the law.

H. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit active justices or judges of the supreme court, courts of appeal, district courts, parish courts, juvenile courts, family courts, city courts, and traffic courts, constables, and justices of the peace from possessing and concealing a handgun on their person when the justice or judge, constable or justice of the peace is certified by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

I. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the carrying of a concealed handgun by a person who is a college or university police officer under the provisions of R.S. 17:1805 and who is carrying a concealed handgun in accordance with the provisions of that statute.

J. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the ownership of rescue knives by commissioned full-time law enforcement officers. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the carrying of rescue knives by commissioned full-time law enforcement officers who are in the actual discharge of their official duties. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the sale of rescue knives to commissioned full-time law enforcement officers. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the ownership or possession of rescue knives by merchants who own or possess the knives solely as inventory to be offered for sale to commissioned full-time law enforcement officers. As used in this Subsection, a "rescue knife" is a folding knife, which can be readily and easily opened with one hand and which has at least one blade which is designed to be used to free individuals who are trapped by automobile seat belts, or at least one blade which is designed for a similar purpose. No blade of a rescue knife shall exceed five inches in length.
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Some people in Czech Republic carry sans permit... or so that's what my friends claim...
I think you could lose one's licence at least..a major hassle. On the other hand, I have never been searched by police, nor had any trouble with them. Being polite and eloquent helps.

People are permitted to carry the weapon to the range and back..
I'll have to figure whether one can take the gun to school if one wants to go to the range from there... (not much hysteria at my school). Some people apparently fieldstripped and cleaned revolvers during lectures or so I have heard. As long as no one does anything dumb...

On the other hand.. openly carrying light machineguns(*) reportedly makes the subway bulls stay away from you.

*even decomissioned ones.
14 yr schoolgirls with real* broadswords on their backs are also a not an uncommon sight.. historical fencing is now crawling with girls. All those readers of fantasy novels.
*as in quality steel, forged, looking authentic, not sharpened
 
Not worth the risk. Besides possible criminal penalties, you could jeopardize your chance of ever getting a CCW permit. Have patience.

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