I witnessed the panic firsthand

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Admittedly I bought three M70AB2 Ak kits(one to build a gun the rest for spare parts, and just finished drilling and bending six useable flats, just a matter of heat treating them, I'll use the best one if they were work out right and destroy the others for scrap), a VZ AK kit, A Century Import CETME (walked out of the Pawn Shop just under 550 and it shoots on par with my Yugo 8mm). And then another CETME 'Sporter' bought second hand used for four hundred and it is great shape and plan to hold onto it for spare parts, and I bought a CETME parts kit for spare parts.

I thought I'd hit the local gun shops and pawn shops with some free time and look for EBRs, and there were none in the three pawn shops. What there was in the gun shops were massively over-priced to their online collaborators. I had visited web sites for the idea of building an AR and most of them didn't have the parts in stock.

When I was in one shop, there was maybe ten handguns in an ordinarily full to the gills shop. A nice young married couple were working on their first gun. The prices were not too bad on Kel-Tecs, actually quite normal, the Taurus Millenium Pros were only slightly higher than a year ago, but the rifles were a joke. They wanted 499 for a Yugo Mauser, 899 for a 'Horns' AK which was some movie stunt gun that's never been shot and the receiver looked sloppier than my bent and drilled ones. I waited for the couple outside and directed them here, to J&G, Budsgunshop.com, centerfire, and so on (the wife actually wrote them down). When I was at my nearby shop and range I burst into laughter unexpectdly when one of the guys that works there who I talk guns with if I have to wait to use the range. He had asked me essentially that $600 for a Saiga was reasonalbe (I remember when they were 319.99 on Centerfire, so would be just under 400 after transfer).

So I'm done with buying EBRs unless more great used deals fall into my lap. I'm going to try and get a Saiga 20" in .223 and call it a day if what I'm planning works out.

Instead I'm turning to getting in on the 91/30. Great inexpensive yet reliable rifle, the ammunition is now made here in the U.S., and the surplus ammo is still okay. I'd rather have three good 91/30s that'll do the job against a paper target, tasty four-legged target, or two legged threat, than one AR that while I can usually switch out the uppers, I could buy a brand new Saiga for the price of some of them, or three 91/30s and 880 rounds of ammo.

There are also Yugo 8mms but I own one of them and ammo is off and on with supply at good prices. I'm going to order three 91/30s and four 440 round tins of ammo. Dissassemble and clean each rifle and only reassemble one.

I'm done buying handguns for now. I don't have any high capacity handguns (though I support owning them, just not my flavor because I'm more of a revolver fan). I have plenty what I need although I am considering getting a couple of TT-33s and buying a great deal of ammo for it.

Anyone else giving up on there EBR hunt and turning to surplus military and other rifles. I had thought about a Stevens 200 in either .30-06 or .223, for the gun and scope you come out short of $500.

I've also got a widow I'm helping selling her passed husbands guns and she's giving me an Imbel receiver and a rifle or shotgun of my choice from collection but I can't decide between a .30-06 with a scope or Over-and-Under 20 guage shotgun that'll make a good clay shooter.
 
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$600 for a Saiga??! Does that come with gold-plated spinner hubcaps and a 400-watt stereo?
 
I know, it's funny. Saigas have been around for almost a decade, that I recall, and maybe they were around before then. For years they were accepted as a cheap "post-ban" gun if you couldn't find or afford a Romanian AK-pattern. Then when the ban ended they became simply the cheap plastic rifle that kids who wanted a rifle that sort of was an AK-pattern could buy. With the post-election run up in prices, Saigas somehow have become more "acceptable" among adult shooters. The one thing in their favor is that they can be modified to accept various AK and AR furniture and accessories. But if the price is THAT high for the base rifle, once you do all the work and fit all the stuff, you would have been better off just buying a real AK in the first place.
 
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The long-range engagement ability of the Mosin was lost to ordinary troops when assault rifles (which are optimized for close-range, rapid-fire combat) were adopted.
 
People are getting freaked out about a new AWB again. This is what happens. I figured that something like this would happen and I picked up a nice Saiga 16" over the summer. I've always been impressed with the quality on these rifles. Sure they are not very pretty, but they are solid (mine doesn't rattle like the WASRs in the local shop) and it had pretty good balance. I'm hoping things settle down a bit, but I'm not sure if they will once the bills start coming out.
 
"Sure they are not very pretty, but they are solid (mine doesn't rattle like the WASRs in the local shop) and it had pretty good balance"

The "rattle" problem with the WASR is due to the opening in the receiver being improperly cut. This can be solved with a poly mag from atlanticfirearms.com much cheaper than the imported and aftermarket steel mags, and fit solidly in place with no rattle or wobble. I was suspicious of poly mags at first, but I bought 4 of them at $15 each, just to see. They are made of a polymer similar to that which a GLOCK is made of, and WAY more durable than I thought. I mean, I could run these things over with a truck and still use them. I'm ordering many more, for that price how can you go wrong?
 
you would have been better off just buying a real AK in the first place.
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The Saiga is the closest thing you can get to a so called "real AK;" it is made at Izhmash in Russia, It has AK internals minus full auto bits. For all intents and purposes, it is an AKM. The only difference is that when they are imported here, they are fitted with alternate furniture. I near had an aneurysm when I read your post.
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The long-range engagement ability of the Mosin was lost to ordinary troops when assault rifles (which are optimized for close-range, rapid-fire combat) were adopted.
Is there anything hotter than a woman with a Mosin?


2 women with Mosins.
 
It doesn't take AK mags, it doesn't take AK stocks without modifications, its entire front end is a different gun. Its receiver is very similar to an AK receiver, with a lot of other stuff on it. It has no flash hider and no bayonet lug. The barrel is different, as is the gas mechanism. It can be converted, with some work and a lot of parts, to function pretty much identically to an AK-pattern semiautomatic rifle.

My SAR-1 is a lot more like an AKM than your Saiga, and requires no conversion.
 
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