I wonder if California's ammo background check might have a silver lining

[Jason_W]

The reason being that this particular part of the "gunmageddeon" will be particularly onerous to all of the state's shooters and hunters where the typical targets of past legislation have been mostly owners of semi auto rifles and handguns.

Will the fact that ammo background checks will make shooting more expensive and difficult for everyone from well to do pheasant hunters and sporting clays enthusiasts to the casual weekend plinker drive moderate firearms enthusiasts and so called Fudds (I hate that term) to take a more aggressive stance against the state's increasingly authoritarian gun laws.

That's certainly what happened in my case.

 

[Browning]

Certainly possible.

Or they might leave California for a more gun and tax friendly state that has more jobs in droves the way I did further reducing the number of people who actually work and pay into the system.

Except for one friend every single friend or family member who used to live in Cali has left or has already died. I've met other people here in Texas who moved here and their experience has been pretty similar. Hard to make it there.

 

[MartinS]

"...what happened in my case."

What do the others in your subset of the Armed Citizenry say? Are they with you and us?

 

[Browning]

Meaning?

Kind of hard to make a dent in the voting booth when you're out-voted 100 to 1. Say that many gun owning Californian's stand with us, is that enough to change the laws there?

 

[Jason_W]

Moving isn't a feasible option for a lot of people.

Not only is an interstate move very expensive, for a number of people moving would mean giving up careers or taking a heavy loss on a home sale.

Additionally, cancer spreads. I read of an Oregon version of a gunmageddeon bill last night.

 

[Browning]

Moving isn't a feasible option for a lot of people.

Not only is an interstate move very expensive, for a number of people moving would mean giving up careers or taking a heavy loss on a home sale.

Sure, I know that. Many are somewhat stuck there.

I'm not trotting out the tired mantra of 'You gotta move or you don't care about freedom' or 'California is the land of fruits and nuts', just saying that those able to do so are going to vote with their feet. That includes many who aren't tied to a house or property.

Additionally, cancer spreads. I read of an Oregon version of a gunmageddeon bill last night.

Yeah, it's not like it's confined by the border or anything. It spreads. It's more extreme anti-2A hatred is just generally found there, Chicago (because so. Illinois isn't like that) and some of the New England states though.

 

[Jason_W]

My situation is actually a bit odd for a firearms enthusiast. My wife and I moved to California from northern New England. On purpose!

She was offered a major promotion with her employer and has since received even more promotions (likely due to bringing a new England work ethic with her). While I absolutely hate California for more reasons than the gun laws, I'm just not one to stand in the way of my wife's success.

I have good choices for the foreseeable future. I either grumble and accept the gun laws on the books and the additional laws sure to come down from on high until I can't afford to be a California gun owner, give up gun ownership completely, or urinate into the wind trying to help reverse or at least prevent new restrictions.

 

[Zoogster]

Yes it will make more shooters care. Not those that only hunt as much I presume because they buy one box of ammunition a year (though lead free requirements have made even that ammunition twice as much). But anyone shooting clays or other high volume activities are going to notice.

The downside is that is a temporary thing, because it also has the effect of reducing how many people become new shooters.

When it is illegal to loan a gun, illegal to give ammunition, and the first time someone thinks about getting a gun they have to get a gun buying license, get an ammo buying license, wait 10 days for their gun, and have dwindling places to shoot it that don't require a membership cost up front, well fewer people will become shooters. Leaving them vulnerable to the ignorance of the antis.

Out of those that still become shooters if those restrictions were in place the first time they get a gun or buy some ammo then that is what they think is normal. So while it will annoy those already shooters, the longer such restrictions are in place the more people that have become shooters and gun owners after that was already a requirement and consider it just a normal part of firearm ownership. Most people base what they consider reasonable and normal on their past experiences, so only those around before it was a restriction or from out of state will realize how infringing it is.

 

[HB]

Missouri just had its constitutional carry law come into affect this month. I cannot fathom living in cali, my local gas station sells firearms...

California has the anti formula right. Rather that fight, most will take up bow hunting... then air guns... then nothing as it is in Europe.

HB

 

[LiveLife]

Many will turn to reloading by 2018.

At work, Democrats who shoot are scrambling to get set up to reload. They are grumbling that small liberal anti-gun faction of the Democrats may have gone too far. I am helping as many of them as possible with reloading set up but with a strong dose of Second Amendment training as over the decades, many Democrats I helped with shooting are now CCW permit holders and vote pro 2A.

As to moving out of state, I have longer term retirement plans to move to Oregon but shorter term retirement plan is to stay in California and reload for all calibers I shoot and convert my carbines/rifles to featureless. I switched from 22LR to 9mm carbines so I no longer need to buy any ammunition.

I am hoping Trump administration and the Second Amendment Coalition/Caucus with NRA will pass federal laws to reverse some of the damage done by California.

Believe me, do not become like California and fight like crazy in 2017 in your states! Vote out anti 2A law makers and vote in pro 2A law makers.

 

[hso]

People don't move because of gun laws. Even when moving to another state, most people don't have much choice since they're moving for work or family reasons and those control the decision. A very few have the luxury to select states with friendly to gun owners if they're going to make a move.

Will the fact that ammo background checks will make shooting more expensive and difficult for everyone from well to do pheasant hunters and sporting clays enthusiasts to the casual weekend plinker drive moderate firearms enthusiasts and so called Fudds (I hate that term) to take a more aggressive stance against the state's increasingly authoritarian gun laws.

It depends upon how many people are impacted by this whether any backlash will occur.

 

[BearBrimstone]

I'm glad I live in Tennessee. I feel like it is one of the safest in the country as far as 2A rights are concerned. If they ever do try to pass anything I hope it affects hunters as well as shooters though. That way everyone is involved rather than just a small subset of gun owners.

 

[Jason_W]

Many will turn to reloading by 2018.

At work, Democrats who shoot are scrambling to get set up to reload. They are grumbling that small liberal anti-gun faction of the Democrats may have gone too far. I am helping as many of them as possible with reloading set up but with a strong dose of Second Amendment training as over the decades, many Democrats I helped with shooting are now CCW permit holders and vote pro 2A.

As to moving out of state, I have longer term retirement plans to move to Oregon but shorter term retirement plan is to stay in California and reload for all calibers I shoot and convert my carbines/rifles to featureless. I switched from 22LR to 9mm carbines so I no longer need to buy any ammunition.

I am hoping Trump administration and the Second Amendment Coalition/Caucus with NRA will pass federal laws to reverse some of the damage done by California.

Believe me, do not become like California and fight like crazy in 2017 in your states! Vote out anti 2A law makers and vote in pro 2A law makers.

I'm also getting back into handloading. Just bought a new press a couple of weeks ago. I'll get back into casting as well once we move to place that has a place for me to work.

Guns and molten lead, two things sure to make the average Californian clutch their pearls (or more likely hemp rope and seashell necklace).

That said, there's a part of me that thinks it's inevitable that as handloading takes off to skirt the ammo laws, the state's legislators will find a way to go after that as well.

 

[GBExpat]

... I cannot fathom living in cali, my local gas station sells firearms...

I love that line!

 

[Dog Soldier]

Bear Brim, It would seem then that Tennessee would join the Free States. You are required to pay for the right to carry a concealed firearm. That is a violation of the 2nd Amendment Rights.
Organize in Tennessee become a Free State join the Constitutional Carry movement.

 

[Sunray]

"...Fudds (I hate that term)..." Agreed. It's a derogatory term used by people who think their way is the only way.
"...make shooting more expensive and difficult for everyone..." All firearm legislation aimed at law abiding firearms owners is designed to make doing it as big a nuisance, in time and money, as possible to discourage new shooters.
"...cannot fathom living in Cali..." Imagine not having to comply with Federal, State and/or municipal firearms laws. That'd be here. Mind you, our stupid laws, some of which were copied from ya'll, are not administered equally across the country.

 

[larryh1108]

...there's a part of me that thinks it's inevitable that as handloading takes off to skirt the ammo laws, the state's legislators will find a way to go after that as well.

All they need to do is treat the primers as the "dangerous" part and put those on the restricted list. Can't shoot them without primers.

 

[Dog Soldier]

Curious? What laws did Canada import from America? Canada's law enforcement is fanatically opposed to civilian ownership of firearms. I was held and question in Canada because I had a concealed carry issued in Wyoming. I will never visit Canada again. I doubt they will miss me.

 

[230RN]

Double post.

 

[230RN]

See what happens when they use the term "reasonable?

As in "all rights are subject to reasonable restrictions."



Terry, 230RN

 

[Zoogster]

All they need to do is treat the primers as the "dangerous" part

It is simply not worth it at this time to make primers, but some priming compounds are not very challenging to make.
Mercury fulminate used to be commonly used and is simple to make in small amounts.
As are numerous other compounds.

Many of these things are easy to make in small amounts, and only get really dangerous if someone ups the batch size (like terrorists do when trying to make large explosives.).

Perhaps we do need a primer making kit though. An easy way to make little cups and anvils would be a wise investment. They are so small I can see a simple long lasting tool that stamps the parts out from thin sheet metal working well. Not much more complicated than a paper hole punch, and making little metal cups from thin sheet metal.

It would add quite a bit more effort to reloading though. Which is why there is not much demand for such a setup at this point.
But I will make my own primers if I need to at some point.

 

[230RN]

All they need to do is treat the primers as the "dangerous" part and put those on the restricted list. Can't shoot them without primers.

We will all learn to knap flint and start collecting pigeon guano from old barns.

 

[Jason_W]

If any anti-gun people ever ask me, I'm going to tell them that handloading costs tens of thousands of dollars in equipment investment and is a specialized skill that takes decades to perfect. I'll say it's a tremendous amount of work. If the average urban Californian hears the words, "tremendous amount of work" they're bound to make a hasty exit from the vicinity.

 

[CapnMac]

so called Fudds (I hate that term)

Count yourself lucky then, to have never been yelled at by one. Or, for that matter, a clutch of them.
I have.
It's under-pleasant.
Being at a public forum with your Congressman and there are folk in the audience who believe their fellow citizens ought to be restricted to owning only one gun, a .30-30 or a shotgun, and only used for hunting.

Or, being at a range and being yelled at for "[expletive] flagrantly [expletive] shooting a [expletive] military [expletive] weapon!!!" Arm in question was y Smith-Corona 03A3. Said worthy was not happy that I was attempting to ignore his diatribe. Or, that I was trying to not laugh at him, since he was shooting a .30-40 Krag.

Some of the enemy are in fact us.

 

[Browning]

Count yourself lucky then, to have never been yelled at by one. Or, for that matter, a clutch of them.
I have.
It's under-pleasant.
Being at a public forum with your Congressman and there are folk in the audience who believe their fellow citizens ought to be restricted to owning only one gun, a .30-30 or a shotgun, and only used for hunting.

Or, being at a range and being yelled at for "[expletive] flagrantly [expletive] shooting a [expletive] military [expletive] weapon!!!" Arm in question was y Smith-Corona 03A3. Said worthy was not happy that I was attempting to ignore his diatribe. Or, that I was trying to not laugh at him, since he was shooting a .30-40 Krag.

Some of the enemy are in fact us.

^Yep. I've had them freak out on me on this forum.

A few years back I had some guy on here try to argue with me about his pet peeve of semi-auto's leaving brass strewn all over shooting ranges. His argument was that they should be banned from ranges because of this. I told him this was unlikely due to the money most ranges make from ammo sales which are almost always going to be greater with semi's. After the first exchange I declined to argue with him and he started sending me PM's repeatedly and finally I blocked him. That did it.