Idea to make AR15 more pleasant
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Nature Boy
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The blast when I'm behind the rifle has never been a problem but that buffer spring "boing" is another matter.
manithree
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I'm experimenting
With this:
http://smile.amazon.com/Muzzle-Brake-Threaded-Forwarder-Sleeve/dp/B01AXFAHHW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
I figure it's cheap enough, if I don't like it, I'll put the A2 flash hider back on and not worry about it. I just got mine, and I haven't taken it to the range yet.
I shot my nephew's braked AR a few weeks ago, and I really enjoyed the complete lack of muzzle rise. But I wouldn't want to use that for HD. It is LOUD. So at the range with doubled up ear pro, I'll get my giggles with the brake, then put the shroud on (shoot some before I go home, just to remember how it feels) for HD storage.
Yeah. 5.56/.223 doesn't have a lot of recoil. But even a cheap brake makes it really fun.
With this:
http://smile.amazon.com/Muzzle-Brake-Threaded-Forwarder-Sleeve/dp/B01AXFAHHW?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
I figure it's cheap enough, if I don't like it, I'll put the A2 flash hider back on and not worry about it. I just got mine, and I haven't taken it to the range yet.
I shot my nephew's braked AR a few weeks ago, and I really enjoyed the complete lack of muzzle rise. But I wouldn't want to use that for HD. It is LOUD. So at the range with doubled up ear pro, I'll get my giggles with the brake, then put the shroud on (shoot some before I go home, just to remember how it feels) for HD storage.
Yeah. 5.56/.223 doesn't have a lot of recoil. But even a cheap brake makes it really fun.
Ibmikey
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Altman, Thank you for your normal constructive advice I'm sure the OP will gain necessary information to resolve his problem following such detailed information.
For the OP: I cannot understand your complaint, the AR with issue flash hider is not designed to send concussion, flash or sound back to the shooter. As indicated there are many hiders and muzzle brakes available to mitigate flash and recoil normally at the expense of increased sound, I have found the Daniel Defense flash hider to provide all I expect from a muzzle device but there is no cure all (flash, recoil, noise and muzzle rise) in a single package that I am aware of. It is unfortunate that you are so intimated by the perceived muzzle flash/blast that you would consider adding pipe to the weapon, perhaps you should follow suggestions to remove the hider and add a thread protector (or not) and fire the weapon in this fashion.
For the OP: I cannot understand your complaint, the AR with issue flash hider is not designed to send concussion, flash or sound back to the shooter. As indicated there are many hiders and muzzle brakes available to mitigate flash and recoil normally at the expense of increased sound, I have found the Daniel Defense flash hider to provide all I expect from a muzzle device but there is no cure all (flash, recoil, noise and muzzle rise) in a single package that I am aware of. It is unfortunate that you are so intimated by the perceived muzzle flash/blast that you would consider adding pipe to the weapon, perhaps you should follow suggestions to remove the hider and add a thread protector (or not) and fire the weapon in this fashion.
LUCKYDAWG13
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this is what i use works great http://www.kawvalleyprecision.com/category-s/100.htm
I have fired issue M16s for 22 years and there is no blast from the muzzle reaching my face. For the most part it's gas from the chamber.
Gasses inside the carrier are exhausted out the two ports on the side thru the ejection port. Suppressed gun shooters note they do get more "in the face" gas residue, tho, and I certainly can agree that adding a blank firing adapter will increase it, too.
I'm curious to know what the gas length and port diameter on the specific gun is. If it's carbine gas with a .080 or larger port the earlier bolt carrier opening will blow back a lot more gas as it's much higher then.
Gasses inside the carrier are exhausted out the two ports on the side thru the ejection port. Suppressed gun shooters note they do get more "in the face" gas residue, tho, and I certainly can agree that adding a blank firing adapter will increase it, too.
I'm curious to know what the gas length and port diameter on the specific gun is. If it's carbine gas with a .080 or larger port the earlier bolt carrier opening will blow back a lot more gas as it's much higher then.
wally
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Interesting that you mention this. The only two people I know who've actually fired shots at a home intruder both say they didn't hear the gun go off. One fired a stub nose .38 Special, the other an AR-15.
kBob
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I agree with some others that the blast in the face is most likely coming from around the charging handle out of the upper.
This was a serious problem back when Rifle Committee folks and unit drill Sargeants thought the answer to all the M-16A1's woes was a more liberal does of LSA (Lubricant, Small Arms) over everything in the upper. Some even forced LSA into the gas vent holes in the middle of the dust cover cutout on the BCG.
This would result in oil being sprayed like an aerosol out around the charging handle and hurt one's shooting eye and cloud one's vision for a bit.
Most civilian shooters use eye protection and so fail to notice this blast as much as military shooters.
This "feature" of the AR 15 was one that MANY who were opposed to it's use of the AR15 standard gas system cited as a reason to go to closed systems.
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This was a serious problem back when Rifle Committee folks and unit drill Sargeants thought the answer to all the M-16A1's woes was a more liberal does of LSA (Lubricant, Small Arms) over everything in the upper. Some even forced LSA into the gas vent holes in the middle of the dust cover cutout on the BCG.
This would result in oil being sprayed like an aerosol out around the charging handle and hurt one's shooting eye and cloud one's vision for a bit.
Most civilian shooters use eye protection and so fail to notice this blast as much as military shooters.
This "feature" of the AR 15 was one that MANY who were opposed to it's use of the AR15 standard gas system cited as a reason to go to closed systems.
-kBob
I shoot an 11.5" barrel AR with standard muzzle cage and it is definitely loud but there is not as much concussive blast to me the shooter. As a bystander I can feel it, and even more so with my AK that has a muzzle brake. This would be more pronounced indoors or under a tin roof so to speak. .223/5.56 is high pressure and the shorter the barrel the louder and more concussive it will be. I don't think simply removing the A2 flash hider would do much to lessen your problem. There are a number of products out there that are supposed to direct the blast downrange, though I agree that most of them are expensive for what they are. Ultimately I think it would just be easier to replace it properly (as many have stated needing only a common wrench) than to fabricate a tube and hope said tube doesn't fly off the front down range.
I only thought to ask about the pipe idea because it looks like such a thing would do the exact same job as some muzzle attachments that are made for AR's do, but for a tiny fraction of the price. I was just curious if people thought it would cause any harm.
Mman
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Pipe not designed for high pressure may fatigue and shatter without warning at some point.
Main issue is 223 is a high pressure round. When that bullet exits the barrel there is tremendous pressure released behind it. Either switch to shooting a round with less pressure (7.62x39 for instance) or get a gun that booms even more so you then have your perception adjusted so your AR doesn't seem so bad anymore.
All will be solved if you learn to love the boom.
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Main issue is 223 is a high pressure round. When that bullet exits the barrel there is tremendous pressure released behind it. Either switch to shooting a round with less pressure (7.62x39 for instance) or get a gun that booms even more so you then have your perception adjusted so your AR doesn't seem so bad anymore.
All will be solved if you learn to love the boom.
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I use BRT linear comps on both of my AR's. Most linears direct all the blast and pressure downrange, unlike the A2 which allows some of it to direct 90 degrees as it exits. Any side ported muzzle device has shown in testing to be louder and have more propensity to direct blast more to the rear when used.
A 20" AR has much less pressure on bullet exit, but shorten it to 16" or 10.5" and the gas pressure rises. That exists for almost all rifle rounds, tho. And where you shoot them has a big impact, too. Canopy shelters for shooters create a much higher noise environment. At the public range I shoot there are concrete side walls, and a canopy roof that angles from 7 feet to 9 feet front to back - reflecting the sound wave down toward the shooter. Since it's a 25m pistol range most of us walk forward to a 7 or 10 yard line to shoot - and it's a lot quieter, too. I get the impression that the range designers aren't up to speed on noise dispersion. It's like the seats at fast food joints - hard and uncomfortable to shorten stay times.
My 10.5" AR isn't as loud as the .300 magnums being shot on the 100m line, tho. It's a matter of perspective. AR's are relatively quiet in the larger scheme of things, and there are more options in dealing with it.
Are silencers an option for you?
A 20" AR has much less pressure on bullet exit, but shorten it to 16" or 10.5" and the gas pressure rises. That exists for almost all rifle rounds, tho. And where you shoot them has a big impact, too. Canopy shelters for shooters create a much higher noise environment. At the public range I shoot there are concrete side walls, and a canopy roof that angles from 7 feet to 9 feet front to back - reflecting the sound wave down toward the shooter. Since it's a 25m pistol range most of us walk forward to a 7 or 10 yard line to shoot - and it's a lot quieter, too. I get the impression that the range designers aren't up to speed on noise dispersion. It's like the seats at fast food joints - hard and uncomfortable to shorten stay times.
My 10.5" AR isn't as loud as the .300 magnums being shot on the 100m line, tho. It's a matter of perspective. AR's are relatively quiet in the larger scheme of things, and there are more options in dealing with it.
Are silencers an option for you?
jakk280rem
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Google "linear compensator".
And "rtv gas charging handle".
And "rtv gas charging handle".
Silencers? As much as they cost, along with the additional $200 to the government, and then having to basically register myself with the government--I don't like that idea. Although the idea of having one is most certainly appealing, I think the burden is too high.
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