IDPA and IPSC Is there room for both?

[faustulus]

Will IDPA eventually morph into a minor league IPSC? That is since IPSC has been around things have evolved. Shooters have found better ways of doing things and more creative ways to attack a course. With the influx of shooters into IDPA do you think that organization will follow suit. Already you hear rumblings about the 'get shot in the head while you fumble with this mag' reload and other problem points. In a lot of cases the IPSC way is faster and better.
Is there room for both?
Or do you see the reverse happening?

 

[Tim Burke]

I think IDPA has already forced IPSC to change.
Would we have Lim-10, Production and Revolver classes without IDPA?
Maybe some, I doubt we'd have all of them.

 

[Correia]

Room enough for both. Also it depends on where you live. Here in the SL area we have 2 IDPA and 1 IPSC matches every month. Plenty of room for both.

 

[Correia]

And Moderator hat on for a minute. If this turns into a big divisive IDPA or IPSC bashing thread I'm going to lock it. Just so ya'll are aware.

 

[Archer]

Personally, while I tend to go further out of my way to participate in IDPA matches, I shoot both USPSA and IDPA, with my carry gun and gear. (this leads to so-so results in IDPA and horrible placements in USPSA, but I'm not doing it for my ego )

Quite a lot of the people I shoot with, shoot both.

Both are equally enjoyable ways to get time behind the gun for whatever reason you might want- (personally I do it for more opportunities to work on gunhandling, and there is a "fun factor" too) and certainly, both have odd rules that 'would get you shot in the head in real life'.

Besides, if I didn't shoot both, I might not have the opportunity to see just how truly intimidating Correia really is with a shotgun.

Trust me, you do not want that guy bustin' down your door with his game face on...

Boy's a warrior.

 

[Zeke Menuar]

I have always considered IDPA and IPSC separate forms of shooting sports, and will continue to do so.

ZM

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

I take offense at the "bill Wilson will get mad and form another club" choice on the poll.



the early days of ipsc and the current incarnation of ipsc bear little relation to each other except possibly limited ten, and then only in equipment.


it's understandable why Bill Wilson and others decided to go someplace else.

 

[faustulus]

both have odd rules that 'would get you shot in the head in real life'.

Yeah but IPSC doesn't claim to be 'real life'
Both have some weird rules as you said, do you think that one game will influence the other to change some of those rules?
I like both and shoot both, mostly IDPA because it is easier to find clubs around here. But I find myself less constrained in IPSC.

the early days of ipsc and the current incarnation of ipsc bear little relation to each other except possibly limited ten, and then only in equipment.

Yes, but the move was influnced by shooters. ISPC has elections. IDPA has a King. HE felt IPSC was moving the the wrong direction so HE started a new game. I like the game, but there are some sour grapes there, heck the rule book is full of them. Wilson likes the 1911 .45 so he created a class in his where that is pretty much all there is (I am sure the fact he makes 1911 .45s had no influnce on that). I think it is clear that some ego is involved and I was wondering if anyone would think he would do it again, especially if IDPA changes.

 

[Correia]

The thing is, to the majority of shooters in both sports there is no problem. As for IDPA, your local club president's opinions matter a lot more than Bill Wilsons as far as your everyday match is concerned.

I see them both happy and successfull. Both will evolve over time like all sports. IPSC added some divisions to make more shooters happy, I imagine we will see some rule changes in IDPA over time.

Archer, thanks. I would be better if my gun hadn't had a problem. Riz came with me after the match to watch and make sure it wasn't me shortstroking the SG or anything. While going fast shells are not always feeding out of the tube, so click no bang. Got a post over in shotguns, looks like I may have a mag tube problem of some kind. That particular 870 has umpteen-thousand rounds through it over the last 16 years, so no surprise there.

 

[faustulus]

As for IDPA, your local club president's opinions matter a lot more than Bill Wilsons as far as your everyday match is concerned.

Aye, and that is part of the problem holding it back, I go to serveral clubs and it always takes a trip or two to learn the 'house rules'
I would think the game would be stronger if the rules were fairly consistant. I think things will get better once the rules are cleaned up. [/fingers crossed]

 

[Jeeper]

I think that they draw different types of shooters especially at the local level. Some of the big guns will shoot both at the national level. I think there is room for both.

 

[Poohgyrr]

IDPA is geared toward "real life" and that is what I like about it. But I see those IPSC guys shooting fast and accurate, which I need to learn from as well. For even more accuracy, I hear some competitions shoot tiny holes, double action, at fifty yards; and others shoot tiny steel animals way far away. I figure I can learn something from all those guys. That's why we have a good beer and lunch afterwards.

 

[GSMD Fan]

Any sport or game will have rules.

Every rule will be disliked or disapproved of by someone.

IPSC and IDPA are just different. Shoot what you like.

No organization will ever make everyone happy.

Both will stay strong.

I would be happy to see another organization started if it would mean another match a month.

 

[KP95DAO]

FAUSTULUS,

"Wilson likes the 1911 .45 so he created a class in his where that is pretty much all there is (I am sure the fact he makes 1911 .45s had no influnce on that)."

I will remember that as I gaze on my First Place CDP/MM (16 other shooters) that I won this year at the OK State Championship with my Witness Match 45 ACP. And that was with about 30 seconds of malfs due to not using the ammo I should have been using.

We have a guy here in OK who will kick your rear with his G30 in CDP. Of course he is a Master SSP shooter. IT AIN"T THE GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[faustulus]

We have a guy here in OK who will kick your rear with his G30 in CDP. Of course he is a Master SSP shooter. IT AIN"T THE GUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Turn around, you are preaching to the choir.

The quote has nothing to do with who is the better shooter, just that single stack 45s had pretty much fallen out of favor in IPSC.
And I whole heartedly agree that it is the man not the weapon, however, IDPA does not agree with either of us, otherwise we could use any pistol we could normally conceal.

 

[BerettaNut92]

So long as people at IDPA, like at IPSC, have dedicated guns for the game instead of what they carry (or use for HD, whatever), I will treat it like a game. But I can't use a tungsten guiderod and ghost rings even if I carry them?

IDPA on 1st and 3rd Saturdays of the month, IPSC every Saturday, steel plates on 1st 3rd and sometimes 5th Sundays, and 3 Gun on 2nd Sundays and 4th Saturdays. Ain't California garand?

 

[Poohgyrr]

Skunk,
That makes me remember when I had time to shoot twice a week. Of course I was single then too ....
And I just found a local Lever Gun group. Arrggghhhhhh, I dunno if I can with them either. :banghead:

 

[ysr_racer]

anytime you're putting accurate rounds on target quickly, it can't be bad.

 

[Correia]

I thought of this thread last night. I was shooting at a little local steel match. IDPA and IPSC guys shooting side by side. You know what, who the heck cares. We all went and had fun. Steel clangs if you hit it with a 28 shot .38 Super triple comped holo sighted racegun or a stock Glock 19.

The only controversy is on the internet. Out in the real world you go, you shoot, you have fun.

Despite different philosophys we are all still shooters. We do have our differences (i.e. you call that coat hanger a holster?). In the grand scheme of things, who cares. IPSC or IDPA either way you are better off than the guy who goes out in the woods once a month and shoots beer cans and thinks he knows how to shoot.

Pick what you like and go shooting.

 

[Zak Smith]

The quote has nothing to do with who is the better shooter, just that single stack 45s had pretty much fallen out of favor in IPSC.

(i.e. you call that coat hanger a holster?).

A single-stack 1911 in .45ACP is a fine gun for shooting the Limited-10 division in IPSC/USPSA. Most of the local guys (Nothern Colorado) who shoots L10 do so with their single-stack .45's from some relatively practical holster. Heck, I use my Milt Sparks NP-1 holster and off-the-shelf Dan Wesson .45, and I'm competitive with "B" class shooters. The only "non practical" equipment is those 10-round Wilson mags.

Shooting a real "Limited" gun in L10 would theoretically yield slightly less recoil and slightly faster reloads.

-z