If I owned my own knife company.

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The Tourist

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I spend most of my time repairing knives from various cutlers, that's what a "tinker" does. However, sometimes a friend or client gives me that "put up or shut up" debate about complaining without actually playing the game. Fair enough. Here's how I would form a company.

First off, it would be small, not big. Never big. If it had to go "big" I'd sell it to Buck or Microtech.

Second, you have to pick a path. We have enough cheap 'black' crap to re-shoot the movie "Red Dawn." I want to be around knives, and I believe Knives of Alaska is on the right path. Besides, Ernie already makes the best hard-use knives, anyway.

Third, no middle managers. My office is on the production floor. Oh, you need a clean space for computers. However, if I cannot smell swarf and jewelers' rouge then I'm too far away.

Each production employee will be issued a "letter set" punch with his/her initials. Somewhere on each knife they are to tang-stamp their code. Each employee is required to spend a certain portion of his day re-sharpening and repairing the knives he actually made.

Each new knife will be packaged with a collapsible box of the appropriate size, imprinted with the factory address and pre-paid postage. After repair, the knife is shipped back with a new return box.

All knife blades will be constructed of proven alloys in the high-carbon, low chromium family. (Technically, this also includes D-2, etc.) All blanks go to Paul Bos. Mr. Bos will be given a special direct line to my office which we will refer to as the "Oh frak!" line. When that ring tone goes off, production stops and a re-inspection starts. The production line is "grounded."

All knives are sharpened with proven, Japanese principles and tools. All of them, every stinkin' one of them.

And the knives will be expensive. No short cuts, no "bulk purchases" of materials, no discounts, no sweetheart deals with distributors, and no slick magazine adds. Soldiers to be deployed may walk onto the premises and choose their own knife and paper-shred their own invoice. They also get a phone number--of the guy who built their knife.

Oh, we'll have music, pizza, motorcyle parking and decent wages. But we won't have time-clocks, Deming tapes, dress codes or excuses. But when a friend of yours sees my pocket-clip on your jeans he's going to ask two questions.

"How did you ever afford that...?"

"How many times have you cut yourself?"
 
Sounds like a place I'd like to own also! All employees could also CCW!

All knives would be guaranteed forever!
 
Japanese Tools and Methods for Sharpening

I am somewhat aware but can you elaborate on Japanese sharpening methods? Water stones I assume?
 
HoosierQ said:
I am somewhat aware but can you elaborate on Japanese sharpening methods? Water stones I assume?

Yes, waterstones, but that's just the start. I got my start with an Edge Pro "Pro" and actually now use two such models commercially. I must add the word "commercially" because Ben Dale makes lots of special parts, stones and brackets for the work I do.

However, I also study Japanese sword polishing--not for the craft, per se--but to glean out any tools or procedures I can utilize. I now use pastes, larger freehand stones, glaziers glass, leather and numerous products from Keith over at Hand American.

I keep in touch with a loose association of professional tinkers and we share info and products. We also trade knives back and forth for examination.

Valkman said:
Sounds like a place I'd like to own also!

Careful what you wish for. With enough angel capital this could be a very real thing. Heavens, we need more cutlers who do this. If you get a chance, peruse Graham Brothers. They are definitely on the right track.

All employees could also CCW!

Great googlie mooglie, the entire place will be an arsenal! If I could build it, I would asquire land far enough out of urban areas to be able to shoot on the premises.

My bike will be in my office, anyone who ever, ever, ever wears a tie (or Dockers) and there ain't a funeral I've been invited to, either gets fired or has to hold the bowling pins steady on a pin shoot.

We complain about our jobs and getting pushed around, but we have freedom right at hand. I started my own company. And if I get enough money I'm not going to buy more health insurance, I want to build a job that is actually fun to come to. Laugh if you want at what the Teutals built, but I'd sweep floors at that place. Oh, you have to have the cajones to make the choice...
 
Definitely interested in this. Especially after seeing your work :)

Heck sounds like a dream job compared to what I'm normally used to.
 
Best thread ever. Now I'm walking around thinking about going "to work" grinding knives all day which will be heat treated by Bos (as they are now) and then finishing them for Tourist to sharpen. Now we need some sheathmakers!
 
Valkman said:
Now I'm walking around thinking...

Well, ya' know, Josh Graham makes some beautiful sheathes...wouldn't be the first time that two companies collaborated. Does the phrase Buck-Strider ring a bell? :D

Consider this, several years ago Guns n' Ammo and Shooting Times had some of their writes 'wildcat' some cartridges. We've all heard of the .460 G&A and the 7mm STW. Imagine the knife from an idea like that.

"The THR Valkissimo" A premium cutting implement, sheathes now by Graham.

I almost shed a tear.

(Send me an old knife. Perhaps we'll die millionaire rednecks.)
 
I get my MBA in 1.5 years so drop me a line when you're looking for your CFO :evil:
 
You'll Need A Janitor

Dibs on the janitor's job.

Unless, of course, you discover that having a killer database to manage your stuff is a good idea. I make magic with data.

In between sweeping the floors.
 
JTW Jr. said:
expensive production knife...a market

As much fun as this thread has been, look at the responses. If this company existed today most of you guys would be clamoring for the knife. Heck, it's my thread and I want the knife!

I believe the underliying concept that has long bothered me is also bothering you--except that my field is knives. People don't mind paying for a product, but they want that product to function as promised, they want it to provide some real value and they don't want the company to disappear like smoke after the shine fades from the tool.

Any angel money out there?
 
Just saying it would be a somewhat hard ( though darn rewarding ) market to break into , a high end production knife. Not saying that it couldn't be done , heck look at Chris Reeves or William Henry , just saying that market share is smaller as at those prices you are getting into true custom area.

How about offering a production forged knife... now that would be smoking !!
 
I'm thinking more Randall Made knives, cepting that you don't know who actually makes your knife.
 
Only if you promise to forget 50% of what they teach MBAs nowadays.

Only partly joking.

Sure as long as I get 100% of the salary! :) I'm sure the real world utility of it probably depends on the program. So far, I've found that nearly everything I've learned has been applicable.
 
I guess you've perused over the, I'm not paying more than 19.00 for a knife threads.

Good luck on sales to cover rent, equipment, materials, labor, health care, liability, fire/theft, just to name a few.

You ought to hit the blade show and talk to a few mid and high end knife makers just to see how little the market really is. I know I have.
 
FTH,

It's a "fantasy baseball team thread" and we're just having fun with it. ;)

There are folks that do this and make a living at it. Lonewolf, William Henry, Darrel Ralph, Strider, Emerson, and Chris Reeve already occupy this type of niche in the market.
 
...anyone who ever, ever, ever wears a tie (or Dockers) and there ain't a funeral I've been invited to, either gets fired or has to hold the bowling pins steady on a pin shoot.

How about making anyone who uses the term 'tactical' dress up as a bowling pin?
 
hso said:
It's a "fantasy baseball team thread" and we're just having fun with it.

You bet, I've had a lot of fun. On the other side of the debate, we do not know who lurks and reads these threads. Hopefully the owner of a knife company.

However, I'm also serious about 'angel capital' and starting a place where I'd like to work. People always seem to measure things in the terms of dollars--in discussions. As a guy from finance, I can assure you that in a list of priorities, the "cost" aspect usually ranks about third. And even in a stilted list, "desire" always outranks pricing.

What do you think this magic knife would look like?
 
Ernie who?

Emerson

Yea, the whole cost thing is a bummer as equipment ain't cheap, especially if you start talking water-jet cutting and CNC machinery. I have so much into my shop and eqipment it'll take far more years than I can make knives to turn a profit - it's a hobby and some hobbies are expensive.

But way more than money the desire must be there or knifemaking gets old fast. It takes many years to get really good at it (I am not nearly there yet) and spending 10 years just getting good at something is not what most people want to do. If you don't love this biz you won't be in it long.
 
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