If lead was worth as much as gold, I'd be rich.

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I left enough of it in my barrel today after shooting my 6-1/2 inch stainless Blackhawk for the first time with my first attempt at realoading in almost two of years. I loaded up some 158 gr. hunter's supply harcast SWC's into winchester cases using winchester small pistol primers and 6.2 grains of unique. I loaded eighteen total and went off to the range. I used a light to medium crimp and had great results with the chrono. I was using a pro-digital chronograph that was placed ten feet from the muzzle shooting a ten shot string. The numbers were;

Hi=1195 fps.
Lo=1130 fps.
Avg=1159 fps.
Es=64 fps.
Sd=20 fps.

I didn't noticed any signs of high pressures. Report was good but not too loud, extraction was easy enough (I've had worse out of factory loads) and there were no flattened primers that I could tell. The powder burned very clean as my left thumb was clean. It usually gets real dirty when shooting revolvers. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to tone it down a bit and switch to titegroup or go jacketed?

Thanks, Flip.
 
If lead was worth as much as gold, I'd sell all my ammo and buy an island somewhere in the South Pacific to retire on.
 
I'm betting they were bevel based, cast too hard and the lube was too hard. I went thru the same thing, the only thing I could shoot them in was moderate .38 sp loads. Not knocking any specific brand, but they all acted the same. Casting my own, with softer lead and softer lube cured all my cast load woes. Good Luck
 
I've shot these is .38 SPCL cases and never had a proplem with leading. I want to load .357 mag cases only as I have one set of dies and don't want to readjust them for .38's. I'm using a Lee manual and it list the pressures using a max load of 6.8 grain's of unique at 33900 psi. Using 5.0 grain's of Titegroup, the pressure is listed as 24900 cup. I'll give it a shot and switch to the starting load of 4.5 grains's of Titegroup. I have some 158 gr. Remington JSP's but I want to use them for "Thor's hammer of destruction" type loads. I just need a pussycat load so I can shoot up these lead SWC's.

Flip.
 
They could be undersized for your revolver, and I would buy some Lee Liquid ALOX and tumble lube what you have to do what you can. I would also stick with Unique and give it another go. IMO, there will be no benefit other than a lower charge weight going to TG.

Thor loads for 158 JSP's = H110/WW296. Have fun!
 
The .357 is well known as a bear for leading. In general, the best solution is to use a gas checked bullet, as some guns refuse to shoot plain base no matter what tricks are used.

Beyond that, a few general principles:

.357 Magnums in particular want a good relationship between throats and bore. Ideally, throats will be a thousandth over groove diameter, which in the Magnum generally means grooves of .357" and throats of .358". If your throats are more than a few thousandths oversize, or -- and this is bad -- even a slight bit undersized, leading will result. If you can accurately measure both throats and bore, you can rule out -- or in --a major cause of trouble. At the least, it is a good idea to slug the bore and then attempt to pass the slug through the throats. If it doesn't fit, you have a real problem, and have no choice but to open up the throats if you want to use cast bullets. If the bullets pass through the throats with mild pressure, you're good, and if they fall through without any effort at all, you will probably have better results by using bullets a few thousandths larger than your current batch.

The bore itself is also quite critical. It needs to be pretty smooth for good success with cast bullets, and it really helps if the bore tapers from breech to muzzle. The most common issue here is choke at the breech where the barrel screws into the frame. This often results in a constriction, which in turn sizes down the bullet and then releases it into a now-oversized bore. Vicious leading can result. The cure is fire-lapping, which can almost be magic.

As far as bullet hardness, IMO it's not as important as some believe. A very soft bullet obviously does not belong in the .357 Magnum, but good results can be had from as soft as 12-15 BHN -- much softer than most factory hardcast bullets. Of course, a bullet that soft really needs perfect gun conditions, but by the time we get to 16+ BHN -- still much softer than most commercial bullets -- additional hardness isn't of much help, again IMO.

I do agree that bevel bases make life much more difficult, and should probably be avoided where possible.

And I also agree that lube can play a critical role. IMO most factory bullets come with hard lubes which are not ideal, especially in the .357 Magnum. I've had good luck with several commercially available lubes, but commercial bullets are a mixed bag, in my experience. I strongly disagree with the suggestion of Lee Alox. I have had uniformly terrible results with any sort of tumble lubing, and I know from conversations with others that I am not alone. Doubtless there is somebody out there who can drive tumble lubed cast bullets to top velocity without problems, but I don't know him. I think you're putting yourself behind the eight ball with it.

And here you thought it would be easy!

Short version: Slug your barrel and throats and use bullets that fit. Gas checks make life a lot easier. And if all else fails, even an idiot can get decent results from jacketed slugs in the .357 Magnum.

Have fun!
 
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Oh and...

The simplest thing you (flip) can do right now is grab one of those bullets and attempt to put it through the cylinder throats. There's a good chance it will simply drop right through, in which case you've got an obvious problem: undersized non-checked cast bullets will not give good results in the .357 magnum no matter what you do.
 
My vote goes for the bullet isn't matched to your barrel. I cast and reload for M1 carbine, with velocities exceeding .357 caliber velocities and have never had leading. I use a plain based, non gas checked bullet cast out of wheel weights. I get zero leading.

I suggest you slug your barrel, find out the groove diameter and make sure your bullets are slightly larger, say around .002 larger. That will fix your problem with leading more than likely.

Regards,

Dave
 
And, "if wishes were horses, then beggars would ride".

Seems to me that the alchemists tried for centuries to turn lead into gold, without success.

On a helpful note, I think that you will have better luck with a gas check.
 
After cleaning the barrel out, the leading wasn't as bad as I thought. If all else fails, I'll go exclusivley to a jacketed bullet.

Thanks for all of the help,
Flip.;)
 
You might need to load them *hotter* if the bullets are too hard. Try running it up to about 6.8 or 7.0 grains and see if that helps.

Or can try filling the case (over the powder) almost full with cornmeal or Cream of Wheat before you seat the bullets.
 
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