WestKentucky
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Shotgun, carbines, and sub gun version of the carbines. Nothing even close to the worn out AR market or AK craze. Something akin to the S&W folding carbine.
If You Were Glock CEO....
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I recently purchased a new Gen5 G26. There is not one thing wrong with it. Nothing needs to be changed. The trigger pull is wonderfully clean. Even though I am left handed, I am not a fan of the “ambidextrous” thumb tabs, on the slide latch, but, “the market” demands such things, now, for shooters who think such things are necessary. Ah, well, if such appendages get in the shooter’s way, it is easier to grind them down, than the other way around.
My former employer is a big-city PD; one of the largest in the USA. (Houston, Texas. I retired in 2018.) The Glock G17 MOS, with an optic mounted, is the standard duty pistol for all new hires. It is typical for officers to purchase a smaller version of their duty pistol, for back-up, and personal time carry. The local police equipment stores still move plenty of “blue label” Glocks. The nearest really large gun store still moves plenty of Glocks. The local Ford dealers do NOT still sell plenty of Model T automobiles.
It is true that Houston PD did select the SIG P320 as the standard duty pistol, for all new-hires, about 2016, or so, but the discharge-when-dropped scandal un-did that arrangement. Individual officers could continue to use their SIGs, after the fix, but most seemed to have switched to Glocks. Notably, Houston PD does not issue handguns to its officers. Cadets and officers purchase their firearms, with some few exceptions for specialized weapons. Before there was one standard pistol model for all new-hires, there had been a menu of several duty pistol choices. When the .40 S&W had become the standard duty cartridge, in 1997, the three duty pistol choices were de-cockers, but the Glock G22 soon became one of the choices, and quickly became the most popular.
Notably, I am not saying this as a Glock “fan boy.” The first two generations of Glocks did not fit me, and Gen3 was/is merely an OK fit. (The Gen3 G26 is an exception, as the short grip allows my little finger to get a good on a longer G19 mag, or on a G26 mag, with a pinky rest.) When I had to use .40 S&W as a duty cartridge, the P229 was a much better fit, so, my P229R was my longest-serving duty pistol, 2004 to 2015. I transitioned to a 9mm Gen4 G17 duty pistol, in 2015, as soon as my then-chief authorized 9mm to be an alternative duty cartridge. Had it not been for .40 S&W starting to really vex my arthritis, I might never have started looking into 9mm pistols, and discovered than Gen4 Glocks did fit me much better than Gen3, such that I settled on the Gen4 G17 as an “orthopedic” pistol, that my less-healthy right hand could, and can still continue to shoot. (I mostly shoot “baby” Glocks with my healthier left hand.)
Had I never become a police officer, I probably would have remained a 1911 fan, and a revolving-pistol fan, and may never have bought into Glocks, at all. Learning the Glock trigger was not something I would have wanted to do, back in the day, when it seemed that the G22 was the least evil of the four choices, when I reluctantly transitioned to a .40 duty pistol. (I did not switch to SIG, until I learned about the optional slimmer factory trigger, which fit my index finger; I could not reach the original fatter trigger.) So, again, I am not saying any of this as a Glock “fan boy.” A Glock is like a Dewalt drill, simply a decent-quality tool to get a job done.
So, if I were a Glock executive, well, I would want the company to manufacture a non-ambidextrous slide latch, to at least be an option. As a lefty, I like the right side of an auto-pistol to be “slick,” with no protrusions to get in the way of my left left thumb, or to interfere with placement of my right support hand. The crowded AR/M4 market would NOT be a tempting target. I would want the marketing folks to emphasize that the “trigger safety” is, and always has been, a drop safety, and that the partially-cocked striker is, and always has been, a drop safety, that is simply safer than a fully-cocked striker.
herrwalther
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The only way I would become the Glock CEO is if I became stagnant in ideas.
JeeperCreeper
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Gen 3 compatible chassis/frame with improved ergonomics.
Basically what PSA will be doing with their dagger that they introduced during SHOT
Basically what PSA will be doing with their dagger that they introduced during SHOT
hemiram
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I would hire someone to simply improve the appearance of the entire lineup. The grip is wrong, IMHO, both in angle and shape, but better than a 1911 grip, which I really dislike. Too narrow.
The price is a bit on the high side, the profit margin must be huge. A PCC done well would sell for sure to the Glock fanbois, and if it looked good and functioned well, I would even be interested, and that would be a first for me, I've never even considered buying a Glock.
The price is a bit on the high side, the profit margin must be huge. A PCC done well would sell for sure to the Glock fanbois, and if it looked good and functioned well, I would even be interested, and that would be a first for me, I've never even considered buying a Glock.
Get rid of that stupid grip angle.
Get rid of that awful trigger.
Make the gun so that it can be taken apart without pulling the trigger, or without using those stupid little tabs.
Make something more melted that conceals better, rather than that stupid brick looking thing.
How about something the size and capacity of a p365, with cuts for red dots, and a very low bore axis like an Alien or a Rock Island 5.0, and a rotating barrel like an M&P 5.7 or Beretta Storm, so that the rotating barrel, good trigger, and low bore combine for quick follow up shots?
Get rid of that awful trigger.
Make the gun so that it can be taken apart without pulling the trigger, or without using those stupid little tabs.
Make something more melted that conceals better, rather than that stupid brick looking thing.
How about something the size and capacity of a p365, with cuts for red dots, and a very low bore axis like an Alien or a Rock Island 5.0, and a rotating barrel like an M&P 5.7 or Beretta Storm, so that the rotating barrel, good trigger, and low bore combine for quick follow up shots?
dogtown tom
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I think that was their plan with the 43 as far as size.
To have the 10 round mag for the 43, Glock would have had to depart from their metal lined polymer mags and they aren't keen on doing that.
43X & 48 have been for quite some time.
Huh? You think Glocks bore axis is too high?
I've never heard that complaint before.
https://www.guntweaks.com/pistol-bore-axis-comparison-what-is-low-bore-axis.html
It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian.
I have pistols with rotating barrels and they aren't the answer to "quick follow up shots".
TRACON
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I still think Glock is on top. But I would add an optional grip angle change because some desire that.
-I’d make a .22LR on a thinner Glock 48 frame and with a magazine that holds more than a lousy “10.”
-I’d make a .22WMR
-I’d make a .40 with an included .357Sig drop-in barrel on a Glock 43x sized frame. I’d use some harder steel for the greater pressures of .40/.357Sig.
-I’d make a “Take down” rifle in 10mm and one that takes……….GLOCK MAGAZINES!!!!
-I’d make a .22LR on a thinner Glock 48 frame and with a magazine that holds more than a lousy “10.”
-I’d make a .22WMR
-I’d make a .40 with an included .357Sig drop-in barrel on a Glock 43x sized frame. I’d use some harder steel for the greater pressures of .40/.357Sig.
-I’d make a “Take down” rifle in 10mm and one that takes……….GLOCK MAGAZINES!!!!
gunmechanic
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I would design and produce a 50 state legal pcc carbine and one for pcc competition.
Targa
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I don’t know, if every one was a clone of me (aside from the numerous, tragic, negative affects that would have on society) it would be easy. My clones would appreciate what made Glock a Glock and leave it alone. The only upgrade in the plastic gun world I have seen over a Glock is the introduction of the high capacity sub compacts.
Get their model numbers under control! Why have a G17 and a G47 when both are standard-size 9mm guns? Why have a G17L and a G34? And, if we're going to do some consolidation, let's make it so everything makes sense (i.e. the Glock 22 is not a .22).
Best part is it doesn't require any engineering, it's all marketing.
Best part is it doesn't require any engineering, it's all marketing.
Capybara
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Seems like Glock as a company is still pretty successful, but it's true that the clone makers are taking some of their market share. I haven't shot one but if I was in the market for a new Glock today, I'd heavily consider a Shadow Systems pistol. It seems like for a few bucks more, they are a more refined, shootable custom Glock. I have a G17 and I even carry it once in a while even though it's too big to carry comfortably when I sit down or drive but I like it. Bone stock, trigger is mush and it's ugly. But it's a great design, it's reliable and I have had it for years and most importantly, I shoot it well. I also carry a Shield Plus PC and a Ruger Max 9 but I am starting to realize the more that I train and drill that subcompacts kind of suck for smoothly drawing, presenting and quickly getting a good grip, plus they are much more difficult to shoot accurately. I have medium sized hands with long fingers and I have to do some pretty weird contortions to get a good grip with either gun as they are so small.
You carry a subcompact for comfort but for being the best, fastest, smoothest and most accurate shooting, they are terrible. My next pistol may be a G19 or a Shadow Systems MR920 if my dumb state ever loses the handgun Roster or I move to America. I'm beginning to see the wisdom of carrying a mid sized gun rather than a sub-compact. Other than comfort, the subcompacts are really kind of handicapping your effectiveness.
You carry a subcompact for comfort but for being the best, fastest, smoothest and most accurate shooting, they are terrible. My next pistol may be a G19 or a Shadow Systems MR920 if my dumb state ever loses the handgun Roster or I move to America. I'm beginning to see the wisdom of carrying a mid sized gun rather than a sub-compact. Other than comfort, the subcompacts are really kind of handicapping your effectiveness.
someguy2800
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I believe I read somewhere that Ruger outsells just about every other firearms manufacturers COMBINED annually.
Somebody correct me if I am off.
Actually that is not even close to correct. As of 2021 which is the most recent data availible, Smith and Wesson made more firearms by itself than Ruger. If you conbine Glock's US manufactured numbers with their numbers imported into the US they are also close to beating Ruger, and it stands to reason that if we also had data for what glock is selling outside the US that they would easily beat ruger also.
https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/2021-annual-firearms-manufacturers-and-export-report-afmer
I guess they are content with everyone else eating their lunch in the micro 9 market.
I think that was their plan with the 43 as far as size.
To have the 10 round mag for the 43, Glock would have had to depart from their metal lined polymer mags and they aren't keen on doing that.
43X & 48 have been for quite some time.
Huh? You think Glocks bore axis is too high?
I've never heard that complaint before.
https://www.guntweaks.com/pistol-bore-axis-comparison-what-is-low-bore-axis.html
It ain't the arrow, it's the Indian.
I have pistols with rotating barrels and they aren't the answer to "quick follow up shots".
Glock may have a low bore axis, but not as low as an Alien or an RIA 5.0. The reviews I have seen on these pistols is that there is not much barrel jump.
Also, the purpose of a rotating barrel is often to reduce felt recoil. See the attached Bing Search.
The general theory these days is to get as many shots as quickly on target as possible, correct? So again, a small pistol that is comfortable to shoot and conceal, but has a large capacity, is easy and safe to maintain, has options for optics, and reduces recoil without using a compensator. If somebody is close and fighting me for a pistol I do not like the idea of the compensator blasting gas in my face. If rotating barrels and low bore axis do not work, fine, but Glock has been making the same gun since the 1980's, and if they can come up with a new system that reduces recoil, it might be welcome.
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A subcompact is to a handgun as a handgun is to a long gun; a trade-off of capability for convenience.
I do believe the G19 is a very good baseline for a self-defense gun. It's very common, which helps with finding aftermarket parts and gunsmiths that are experienced with it. It's big enough that you can hold it comfortably, small enough that you can carry it comfortably, and 9mm is a good caliber. Whatever someone doesn't like about the Glock gives a good baseline for where to go. (Is it too small, too big, too small caliber, too ugly, not ambidextrous enough, etc). Even better now that they have an optics-ready version of the G19 from the factory.
With that said, I did just get my first Glock 21 (because I didn't have a .45 yet), but my most recent purchase was an HK VP9 because, as I said in the last paragraph, Glock is "not ambidextrous enough".
dogtown tom
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I have Glocks that have virtually no barrel jump.
Bing? Please.
I've owned as many as three pistols with rotating barrels (Beretta Cougar). While they are nice to shoot, I experienced no more "barrel jump" with them than I did with a Glock 17 0r 19. The technique you choose to use when holding a pistol has more to do with reducing recoil than the type of barrel or bore axis.
And?
I didn't say rotating barrels and low bore axis do not work....those may be nice in taming recoil for those who have difficulty. And where are you getting the idea Glocks recoil more than other designs? Thats odd.
Glock makes essentially the same pistols now as they have for the last forty years because they work, they are a reliable design, they are user friendly and above all they continue to sell. That "continue to sell" is the most important. Here they are just doing a few upgrades every few years with Gen 3, 4, 5 whatever and S&W and SIG are continuing to chase them with many different designs, different models and still behind.
You could look at it this way.......how many pistols has the very innovative SIG made and then discontinued since 1980? 227? 239? 290? Heck the 290 died at age six.
Meanwhile poor old Glock is still churning out the same gun, that takes the same parts, the same mags and isn't a machine gun when dropped.
GunnyUSMC
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After reading what many of y’all would do if CEO of Glock, I would have to say that Glock would end up going the way of many of the other gun companies, belly up or in the red.
TRACON
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Because the two models have different internals. Also if one anlready owns an G19, then his G47 can be broken down and converted like a G19X/G45, while the 17 can not. More configurations out of one gun with the G47 and an G19 gen5 combined. Also the G47 has compatibility with G19 Gen 5 internal parts.
Because the two models are different length guns. The 17L is the longest and really only suited for competition long range pistol shooting or handgun hunting small ga,e and predators. Wheras the G34 can be and is carried as a duty pistol or competition gun for some. The 17L would be way too long and impractical to carry as a duty pistol.
Too late to change it all by now. Just have the model numbers memorized like the rest of us Glock FANATICS do and it becomes second nature to immediately identify who’s who in the (Glock) zoo.
True and they keep dominating in worldwide sales. Glock….. love them or hate them one may, but they’re still WINNING.
That information isn't very clear from the limited amount on their site.
With the Gen 5 G19 and G17, both use the exact same parts as far as the frame is concerned. Glock changed the barrel locking lugs on the Gen 5 G17 to match the G19. With the Gen 5 only, you can put a G17 slide onto a G19 frame without any issues. You can still do that with Gen 3/4 G19's but you will have to use a Gen 5 G17 barrel in the older G17 slides.
dogtown tom
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FWIW....the 17L was originally a duty pistol for the Romanian "Brigada Antiterrorista" way before anyone considered it a competition gun.
I saw one at the Dallas Market Hall show about ten years ago and he wanted $500 for it I think.
Most competitive shooters would have used the G24. That’s what the best Glock shooter in the world used (with #s of weight added) The 17L has no classes to be competitive. (USPSA, IDPA, IPSC)
