IL - Can you believe this?!

[P95Carry]

What the hell is going on here .....??

(don't think this has been posted yet ..... apolagies if so)

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Illinois Democratic Governor Rod Blagojevich wants Illinois to become the first gun free state in the Union/Republic.
He is using SB 1195 to achieve this lofty goal.

You may read this bill at:
http://www.legis.state.il.us/legisl...e=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=1195

Source:
The Illinois Leader
http://www.illinoisleader.com/

Alert from National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action
http://www.illinoisleader.com/marketplace/profile.asp?p=4197

PREAMBLE OF SB 1195:

“(720 ILCS 5/24-1.7 new)

Sec. 24-1.7. (a) The General Assembly finds …that the use of these weapons, devices, or attachments for sport or recreation is substantially outweighed by the danger these weapons or devices present to human life, and that restrictions should therefore be placed on the manufacture, delivery, and possession of these weapons, devices, and attachments.â€

ATTENTION HUNTERS: SB 1195 bans any semi-automatic firearm with a bore diameter of .50 caliber and larger, and a magazine capacity over 5 rounds. This includes many 10, 12, 16, 20 and 28 gauge semi-automatic shotguns.

SB 1195: Outlaws the manufacture, possession, sale and transfer of AR-15s, M1As, FALs, plus lower and upper receivers, magazines and magazine parts capable of holding more than 10 rounds, including black powder hunting rifles with a bore diameter greater the .50 caliber.

Under SB 1195: Individuals must surrender their firearms to the State or local police within 90 days of enactment, remove it from the state or destroy the firearm.

This means Illinois based companies: Armalite, Les Baer, Rock River Arms, Springfield Armory, DS Arms, and others will be unable to continue to employ their workers and prohibited from manufacturing these firearms for individuals or to fulfill current contracts with the U.S. military. Millions of dollars of state income tax revenue, corporate taxes and sales taxes will be lost forever in Illinois, at the same time that the state is facing a $5 billion dollar budget deficit.

Non-Compliance with any part of SB 1195 will cause you to be charged with a FELONY.

Call your Senator and tell him NO on SB 1195!

Bill Status of SB1195 93rd General Assembly
http://www.legis.state.il.us/legisl...95&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegID=4124&SessionID=3

 

[Tropical Z]

 

[cpileri]

yeah whatever

Bowl Puckey!

I say: TELL THEM ALL TO VOTE 'YES'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's get this show on the road, baby!
Quit all this quibbling. Let's have the pro-freedom vs. anti-freedom showdown get started BEFORE the next election... I mean, supreme court appointing ceremony.
Let'em pass this thing and let the rest of the nation see what happens to a gun-free state's crime rate!
This'll FINALLY get all the hunters and blackpowder folks who are so secure in their beliefs that no gun laws will affect them OFF THEIR COMPLACENT KIESTERS and get all those estimated 50-80 million other people on our side!

So again, tell your paid liars to vote YES!

C-

p.s. really, its probably just another extreme bill to make the AWB renewal look 'moderate'

 

[Henry Bowman]

I agree with cpileri. It will also let the USA export many more of its criminals to the PRIL. Better for the rest of us. If/when there is armed rebellion in IL, we will send troops. Let's roll.

 

[44Brent]

The bill was already defeated in the previous legislative session.

 

[Don Gwinn]

SB 1195 is old news. It will be coming back around in November, though. It wouldn't exactly create a gun-free state, but it would lay the groundwork with an assault-weapons ban worse than California. Some of the revisions that were batted around in the spring would have made it a bit more like the Federal law. Others would have allowed manufacturing, but not for "civilians." Most of these were pretty confusing because the Senators on the committee didn't have any idea what they were about. There was one old duffer who told the committee that he hadn't been aware that "collectors" would be hurt by the bill as proposed, and he thought that "legitimate collectors" should be exempted and allowed to own whatever they wanted. He apparently thought the whole thing was about full-auto weapons, though (they're already illegal in Illinois) and spoke in those terms, which I think actually made some of the anti-gun side dig in further because they were afraid the bill was going to end up somehow authorizing full-auto.
In the bill as written, even a police officer or member of the military on active duty would commit a crime by possessing an "assault weapon." Being on duty with an issued weapon would be an "affirmative defense," meaning it wouldn't prevent an arrest but would have to be raised as a defense at trial.

Last time these bills came up for debate in committee, we packed the meeting room such that they had to move to a larger room and still had a crowd milling around outside looking for seats. I talked to a former co-worker who was still writing committee reports, and he said it was the biggest crowd that session. I can well believe it. The only other issue as contentious in Illinois this year was probably the ERA hearings, and I wrote the reports on those. They had about a third as many people as we produced, and that was counting both sides. At the gun control hearing, you couldn't find anyone in the room who wasn't strongly opposed except the sponsors, committee members, and the witnesses called by the sponsors.





If we can do that again, we'll beat it in November, too. We need to keep the pressure on with phone calls and faxes. I went out and downloaded fax software for just this purpose last week. This time I'm going to flood them with faxes. The phone calls are good, but once you reach the voice-mail system's capacity, nothing after that really gets counted.
Last time was a big embarassment for Daley and for Blagojevich. Make no mistake, Daley is absolutely the one behind these bills. His staff wrote them, his officials testified in favor of them, and the nominal "sponsors" in the Senate often had no idea what their bills contained. I don't think the gentleman from Chicago (whose name escapes me) had even read "his" bill completely before he presented it. He was terribly confused as to its contents.

 

[TarpleyG]

I agree. Let Illannoy take one for the team. That'll get everyone's panties in a bunch.

GT

 

[Mark Tyson]

You know, I find it sad that a bunch of champagne sipping snobs in Springfield and Chicago make the rules for everyone in that whole state.

 

[sctman800]

As Don Gwin said, it is not dead and probably will be brought back later in the year. And to Mark, Springfield isn't even in the equation, all the crap gun laws come out of Chicago. If we could get chicago out of Illinois we would probably have the right to carry in a year. In fact I would like to remind people that the downstate Democrats helped kill most of this years cesspool of antigun bills. No I am not a Democrat, Libertarian actually, I just wanted to give credit to these people who do help us. Jim.

 

[MicroBalrog]

P95Carry - Cheer up. I have it worse.

 

[Jeff White]

They'll bring it back and we'll keep knocking it down. Other issues are going to keep this on the back burner. Illinois is in almost as bad of financial shape as California.

There is a lot of resentment in Southern Illinois towards the Chicago machine, especially among Democrats. And don't be mistaken, it was downstate Democrats that killed this the last time along with a big grass roots effort.

Jeff

 

[P95Carry]

P95Carry - Cheer up. I have it worse.

Micro ....... I sympathize fella ..... but this is a ''home'' story and as such is still very worrysome .... there are some real freako's determined to squash all that the 2nd stands for ... and treat it as if it were nothing. Chicago is the root of much of this problem.

So much of this damned planet has this quaint and niéve notion that banning guns in private ownership is a panacea for peace and tranquility..........

Well sorry guys .... the criminals will never pay heed to any of this ..... and all that happens is that everyone gets left defenceless ...... damned ''Liberals''.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Very true. If Daley could get all the Democrats to stick together, we'd be in REAL trouble.

Of course, the corollary to that truth is another truth: while downstate Democrats tend to be more "conservative" and also to resent Chicago control, Chicago-area Republicans are often complete RINOs.

There will probably be some new attempts in the fall, but they may be harder to organize against. Daley and Blago may have learned a valuable lesson about the folly of publicizing things like this.

 

[DonP]

New Illinois State Capital - Chicago

If anyone ever had any doubts about how much control Chicago is now exerting on overall Illinois politics the issue has really been put into sharp focus in the last month or so.

Our new governor finally officially announced what a lot of people already knew, that he would not be moving to the governors mansion in Springfield and would continue living in Chicago. (Daley need his shoes shined on a regular basis I guess)

Roddy boy will continue to be Daley's lap dog for the rest of his term. We have to count on the downstate Dem's more than the collar county Republicans for hanging onto whatever gun right we still have in place.

The Illinois Republican party is still in total denial and dissarray with no signs of them pulling their heads out of their, ummm hiding places. Not much hope there for the next two or three election cycles until the existing power crowd, that keep running the same three guys, finally quit or fall over.

Don G. is absolutely right about this bill in one form or another coming up again in the fall. Daley is hell bent on controlling the entire state and everything in it. He is used to getting what he wants the first time and it will become a point of personal pride and a vendetta to get things his way, or else in the fall.

A lot of people were stunned when he unilaterally closed Meigs Field overnight, ignored pending court cases and Federal hearings on the status of the airport, and dug up the runways while planes were still sitting there. Gun owners weren't at all surprised at his Imperial attitude. We are already used to his ignoring existing laws and the constitution. He gets to make the rules as he goes along and punish anyone politically or legally if they don't follow orders.

Come the fall, we will once again crowd the balconies and halls in Springfield. Our biggest risk is a late night passage of more gun control or a last minute rider on another education bill or some such.

Wish us luck.

Don P.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Excellent point, Don. I should have mentioned that, too. Even the local liberals here in Springfield are pretty irritated by that. Most of the local press really wanted to love Blagojevich because he's the young, handsome liberal and they hated the old, corrupt, grouchy Republican who preceded him. But he treats them like hemorrhoids despite their initial willingness to lick his boots, and now they've begun to turn on him.

I absolutely believe Blagojevich when he says his wife and child are insisting on Chicago. For one thing, for a woman like his wife, Springfield is just such a backwater that it's unthinkable to live there. We just got Starbucks, for crying out loud!

More importantly, (Cynic Hat On) I have to believe that Dick Mell is putting every bit of pressure he can on his daughter, who in turn is pressuring her daughter, and together the girls are making his life miserable every time Blago mentions Springfield. Why on Earth would Dick Mell want his pet governor to move 300 miles away? He has to keep Blago nearby. If Blago ever does move to Springfield, you'll know I was right about this if you see Dick Mell accept some cushy sinecure in Springfield from Blago. Mell would never willingly leave Chicago where all his power is, unless he thinks he can go farther with the Governor and that Blago could lose the Governor's office if he doesn't go to Springfield.

But that's not very likely. Chicago has been the political center of Illinois almost since statehood, and it's gotten to the point that no one really even has to pretend anymore.

 

[cpileri]

confused on the contents of his own bill, huh? glad we pay these people (not)

Gee Whizz Don(s)!
It'll never pass with you two around blabbering on about freedom, the Constitution, protecting the innocent, and all those totally outdated has-been ideas!
How's this boil going to come to a head when you guys keep applying the political hot compresses and Clearasil?
C-

 

[Correia]

Illinois based companies: Armalite, Les Baer, Rock River Arms, Springfield Armory, DS Arms,

It always surprises me that gun companies stay in states like Illinois.

 

[Jeff White]

Chicago has been the capitol in everything but name since at least the Thompson administration. If the Republicans or a rebel Democratic candidate want to make it an issue, they will hurt Blago over his refusal to even pretend that Springfield is the capitol.

The Illinois Republican Party is in such disarray I doubt they will be able to get their act together for at least two terms. Downstate Democrats are going to be our only hope, unless some misfortune should befal hizzoner Daley.

We could fill a federal prison to overflowing if we locked up all the crooked politicians in this state. There would be a gang problem there alright, but it would be Democrats and Republicans instead of Gangster Disciples and Latin Kings

Cutting out the tax on Hollywood at the same time he increased the tax on the trucking industry isn't sitting well down here. We have two truck terminals closing and nobidy thinks they are going to film the next blockbuster movie in Southern Illinois. The Democratic reps and senators from Southern Illinois are going to have to win on some issues, because the people those same reps and senators are counting on to re-elect them are losing big time economically.

Jeff

 

[Billll]

All right all you Colorado folks, start writing those letters now!
Address them to the CEOs of Illinois based companies: Armalite, Les Baer, Rock River Arms, Springfield Armory, DS Arms, etc, reminding them of how gun-friendly Colorado is, and how (comparatively) economically non-depressed we are. If nothing else, I'd be tickled pink to land a job with any of them.

 

[Don Gwinn]

Two officers of Armalite told us when this bill was being debated the last time that Armalite would move to Iowa if it passed. Armalite and Springfield Armory are both located in Geneseo only a couple of hours from the Iowa line on I-80. Across the river their products would be legal again. As the boss lady told me, "We can't afford it, but we'll do it anyway. We've already informed the bank that they'll simply loan us whatever it takes to make the move and we'll do our best to pay it back on time. Their alternative is to foreclose on a few semi-loads of banned firearms and see what they can get for them."

 

[six 4 sure]

I know this is a little OT, but every time I hear about legislation like this it reminds me of High School. While in High School I participated in YMCA? Illinois Youth and Government. It was a mock government where we proposed laws and then voted on them in Springfield. I actually got to sit in the House Chambers during our final session.

Well there was a bill that made it out of committee that proposed we boot Chicago/Cook County out of the state and turn it into a commonwealth or something of that nature (it was sponsored by a school from Southern Illinois). Unfortunately they determined it was unconstitutional and quickly caned it upon arrival in Springfield.

I could only dream of my state without Chicago. I’d probably be able to own Class 3 weapons and have a CCW.

six

 

[foghornl]

Would be OK with me if some of those companies moved about 6 hours East of Chikago...Like to Greater Cleveland. We could use some good manufacturing jobs in the area.