IL SB0114 apparently allows LE and School Administrators to revoke FOID Cards

[ilbob]

Trent,
I'm not sure if they are drunk with victory or if they've been co-opted. Remember when the state senator from Chicago got caught pretending he worked as a security guard in a contributors company in order to carry a gun and Vandermyde got all over the internet urging everyone not to make a big deal of it because he was a reasonable man?

I think Vandermyde and Pearson have been in among the enemy too long and they have something akin to Stockholm Syndrome.

I am unimpressed with the performance of both to date. OTOH, it is hard to know what could have been done differently. Maybe even the most effective people would have failed as badly at getting a better bill.

They were the guys in place when the courts made the state change the law. It is not like you can get rid of them and get someone else fast enough to do any good so you are kind of stuck with who you have - good, bad, or indifferent. I think it was Donald Rumsfeld who said something about going to war with the army you have. They were what we had.

It remains to be seen where all this will lead. There are plenty of court cases to come as people inadvertently (or maybe in some cases deliberately) test the new law, and we start to find out how the courts see it.

I don't think that dragging Trotter over the coals would have gained us all that much, if anything, so maybe as a magnanimous gesture not trying to do so was the right call.

 

[floorit76]

I'm not a big fan of ILcarry either, I just thought they might have the inside line on this issue, apparently not. I watched Trent get banned, I even considered trying to get banned myself. In the end it was easier to just stop going over there. I also had a bit of a go around with the Isra. A friend and I put up hundred of flyers for Igold, most of which we had printed ourselves because no one would answer my request for more. I tried calling local tv and radio stations only to be told that it would need to be submitted as an official press release for them to air it. So I called the Isra and asked why no stations local to Springfield, the capital and where the rally is held, were issued a press release. They said they spent their entire budget advertising in.........Chicago. Not locally where people can just drive across town to go to the rally. They should rename them Chicagold, and the Csra.

 

[SilentStalker]

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If they didn't like you, wouldn't they have a beef with you?

Yes, but what I meant was they could do this without any provocation, any real reason or merit to do so, lack of an actual argument! In other words, they could single someone out as it is written right now just because they don't like the tie you are wearing or whatever. Do you see where I am going here? I mean there is nothing in there, of what was posted anyways, as to what qualifies a person as being a threat nor does it give any guidelines as to whether one needs witnesses, documentation,etc. It literally reads as if someone could just get a bad vibe from you, whether that vibe is real or not, doesn't seem to matter as all that person has to do is call and say they believe you are a possible threat. Does it ask for actual reasoning as to why one would think that? No, at least not from what I have read. I guess that's why it is somewhat open to the PD to make the final decision. However, that's not necessarily a good thing IMO.

 

[Krusty783]

Sweet Jesus... I'm glad I ran away from IL as fast as I could.

This can & probably will happen in the Chicago-land:

School Administrator combs through FB pages of students looking for hunting/shooting pictures. Parents of any students showing those pictures will be reported because the Admin. can do it anonymously with no repercussions... The only sliver of hope is that the ISP decide there's something fishy about this person reporting tens/hundreds of people in a matter of days. Or, they could blindly go along with it and start issuing warrants to raid the homes and confiscate the weapons.

You have an argument with a school official concerning your child. The official can now arbitrarily report you because they want to be a dick. If you (or your spouse) own firearms, they're now confiscated with no recourse.

You think I'm being facetious? Tell me what Cook County thinks of firearms? And here's a way they can recruit their officials to remove firearms from any and everyone with no repercussions..!! This will turn into a defacto confiscation if the anti's choose to invoke the power of this bill.

 

[Trent]

Speaking of loss of gun rights. Now throwing a cigarette butt out of an automobile can cost you your gun rights.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/11208/...ed-illinois-minimum-1-500-fine-anyone-who.htm

anyone who breaks the law will face up to $1,500 in fines, and that's just for their first conviction.

The law modified is here:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1605&ChapterID=36

Since cigarettes were added to the definition of "litter" the following clause applies:

(a) Any person convicted of a violation of Section 4, 5, 6 or 7 is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor. A second conviction for an offense committed after the first conviction is a Class A misdemeanor. A third or subsequent violation, committed after a second conviction is a Class 4 felony.

This state is something else.. I'll tell ya.

All police have to do is (on 3 separate occasions) find cigarette butts on your private property and you can get sent to prison.

 

[Mike1234567]

Butt wait... butt, butt...

Oops... that's three.

 

[plodder]

As a former IL resident, I can say that it is great be able to say former! I knew that when CCW was imposed upon the IL Legislature it would end up being so restrictive and regulated it would be virtually impossible to exercise without violating some ordinance or provision of the law.

Although we in WI are experiencing some promising green shoots of freedom, the stench from Chicago occasionally wafts North of the border. You guys and gals in IL have my sympathies and support.

 

[ChaoSS]

Sweet Jesus... I'm glad I ran away from IL as fast as I could.

This can & probably will happen in the Chicago-land:

School Administrator combs through FB pages of students looking for hunting/shooting pictures. Parents of any students showing those pictures will be reported because the Admin. can do it anonymously with no repercussions... The only sliver of hope is that the ISP decide there's something fishy about this person reporting tens/hundreds of people in a matter of days. Or, they could blindly go along with it and start issuing warrants to raid the homes and confiscate the weapons.

You have an argument with a school official concerning your child. The official can now arbitrarily report you because they want to be a dick. If you (or your spouse) own firearms, they're now confiscated with no recourse.

You think I'm being facetious? Tell me what Cook County thinks of firearms? And here's a way they can recruit their officials to remove firearms from any and everyone with no repercussions..!! This will turn into a defacto confiscation if the anti's choose to invoke the power of this bill.

Forget having a disagreement with someone. After every school shooting everyone says "why didn't someone do something? Why didn't the shrink report him to the police? Why didn't the school report his troubled behavior?"

It's not long till everyone gets reported, over everything.

 

[316SS]

It's not long till everyone gets reported, over everything.

If you see something, say something, Citizen. These dossiers don't write themselves.

 

[ChaoSS]

If you see something, say something, Citizen. These dossiers don't write themselves.

Do I detect sarcasm there, young man? Anti government sentiments? Do you want the terrorists to win? I'm calling the FBI.... or someone....

 

[rdhood]

Anonymous call can lead to loss of legal ability to own firearms.

Let me fix that for you:

"Anonymous call can lead to loss of Constitutional rights."