Illinois- Pardon them all, let God sort em out

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Prosecutors insist pardoned were guilty

January 11, 2003

BY FRANK MAIN CRIME REPORTER



Former prosecutor Jeff Warnick could not believe it when Gov. Ryan told the world Friday that Madison Hobley helped catch a neighbor's baby and save its life after he escaped from a burning apartment building in 1987.

Hobley--one of the four Death Row inmates the governor pardoned--was convicted of setting the fire, killing his wife, son and five others at 1121-23 E. 82nd.

Warnick said he is still convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hobley was guilty, based on the physical evidence from the fire.

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BY DAN ROZEK STAFF REPORTER


"You want to commute his sentence, governor? Fine. But don't say he was innocent," said Warnick, an arson expert who investigated the blaze while he was in the Cook County state's attorney's office.

Cook County State's Attorney Dick Devine and three prosecutors who worked on the four cases appeared disgusted with Ryan's decision Friday night, saying he usurped the judicial process and was simply wrong on the issues of the cases.

"Our outgoing governor took an outrageous and unconscionable step in pardoning four convicted murderers,'' Devine said at a news conference. "The system is broken, and the governor started to break it today. Every expectation we have is he will continue that process tomorrow. This is something he can walk away from but the rest of us will be left behind to try and put it back together."

Hobley claims that police tortured a confession from him. Defense attorneys have pointed to a gas can they contend was planted to link him to the crime. But Warnick called the gas can a red herring. He said investigators determined the fire was ignited with gasoline in a stairwell leading up to Hobley's third-floor apartment door. A pool of gasoline was discovered at the threshold of his apartment door that would have required Hobley to walk through the fire. But he was unscathed. "I know fires, and there is no physical way for him to escape that apartment with fire outside the door," he said.

Warnick added that weeks before the fatal blaze, Hobley's wife was staying with a friend because Hobley was abusive to her.

The roommate called police to report that Hobley was making threats. And an officer listened on the phone as Hobley spoke to the roommate. "He threatened to burn out the roommate unless he could speak to Anita," Warnick said.

Peter Troy, a prosecutor in the Cook County state's attorney's office, is equally upset that Ryan let Aaron Patterson go free. Patterson was convicted in the April 1986 murders of Vincent and Rafaela Sanchez. He used a paper clip to etch his innocence into a metal bench in an interrogation room, defense attorneys said. The etching said he signed a false statement. But Troy said Patterson never signed his confession, throwing the allegations of torture in the etching into doubt.

Troy said he interviewed Patterson and saw no signs of physical abuse. He allowed Patterson to call his grandmother and a lawyer--and Patterson never complained he was tortured, Troy said.

"To this day, I believe he murdered the Sanchezes," Troy said

Devine, who was expecting Ryan to offer blanket commutations today, said he thought Ryan acted without care for families of the victims, and he said the governor's clemency powers and his actions will be reviewed.

When he was the Cook County state's attorney, Mayor Daley oversaw many of the prosecutions in which prisoners accused police of torturing false confessions out of them. His press office didn't return phone calls
 
It takes approx. $5,000,000 (give or take a million) to convict a felon through all appeals and get him or her actually put to death in Illinois. Now Ryan commutes (sp?) their sentence to life. Another $35,000 per year, per prisoner now to support them till their death via natural causes in the Graystone Hotel. Assuming each one of these scumbags lives another 20 yrs., thats $700,000 per scumsucker. Illinois is about 5 billion in the red now
Illinois doesn't need an electric chair, they need electric bleachers.

I didn't mention the ethics of this travisty cause thats obvious.
 
What Ryan did is a travesty of justice. While no can deny that there were improper behaviors on the part of LE in some of the criminal proceedings, to pardon 4 duly convicted and sentenced killers based solely on their insistence that they were tortured into confessing,while ignoring other pertinent evidence supporting their guilt is an abuse of power that, IMO, borders on criminal conduct on Ryans part.

Ryan has commuted all death sentences in Il. If all the criminals who receive commuted sentences serve a REAL life term with no parole then the costs as offered by Popeye are staggering, and totally unacceptable.

A far scarier scenario is the possibility that what has happened time after time in other similar situations will happen here, and that is that some liberal dominated parole board or starry eyed judge will negate the LIFEterm and grant parole. Then the public has one more killer back on the streets to repeat his actions.



THE DEATH PENALTY MAY NOT BE PALATABLE TO SOME, BUT THE ONE IREFUTABLE FACT IS THAT IT SURE PREVENTS RECIDIVISM.
 
He let 'em all off the hook, and 4 of them are set free. :fire:

- Gabe

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/11/illinois.death.row/index.html

'Blanket commutation' empties Illinois death row
Incoming governor criticizes decision
From Jeff Flock
CNN
Saturday, January 11, 2003 Posted: 10:15 PM EST (0315 GMT)

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Outgoing Illinois Gov. George Ryan announced Saturday that he had commuted the sentences of all of the state's death row inmates and said he would "sleep well knowing I made the right decision."

He delivered his unprecedented speech at Northwestern University.

"Our capital system is haunted by the demon of error: error in determining guilt and error in determining who among the guilty deserves to die. What effect was race having? What effect was poverty having?

"Because of all these reasons, today I am commuting the sentences of all death row inmates," Ryan said.

Ryan's decision affects 156 inmates on death row in Illinois and 11 others who have been sentenced to death but who were not in the custody of the Department of Corrections because they are awaiting re-sentencing or trials in other cases. Some were also in other states' custody.

Ryan, a Republican who did not run for re-election in November, acknowledged during his speech that his actions would not be universally applauded. But he said he felt he had no choice but to strike a blow in "what is shaping up to be one of the great civil rights struggles of our time."

Ryan, who leaves office Monday, pardoned four death row inmates Friday after determining they had been tortured into confessing crimes they did not commit.

Madison Hobley, Leroy Orange and Aaron Patterson were released after being pardoned. Another inmate, Stanley Howard, remained in prison because he had been convicted of a separate crime.

Inmates who have been convicted but not yet sentenced or who have been remanded for a new trial are not included in the commutations, a source in the governor's office said.

All but three of the commutations will reduce the inmates' sentences to life without parole; the remaining three will be reduced to 40 years to life to bring their sentences in line with co-defendants.

Gov.-elect Rod Blagojevich, the Democrat who will replace Ryan, told CNN on Saturday that he disagreed with the governor's decision.

"I think a blanket anything is usually wrong," Blagojevich said. "We're talking about convicted murderers, and I think that is a mistake."

Capital punishment in Illinois came under the microscope after a group of journalism students at Northwestern began looking into the case of Anthony Porter in the late 1990s.

The students, working with their professor and a private investigator, found evidence that cleared Porter after 17 years on death row. Ryan vowed he would do whatever it took to "prevent another Anthony Porter."

Ultimately, 13 inmates who had been sentenced to death were exonerated, and Ryan declared a moratorium on executions in the state.

A panel Ryan appointed to examine capital punishment and review the cases of all death row inmates concluded last year that Illinois had applied capital punishment too often since it was re-established in the state in 1977.

Prosecutor: 'They've had their years in court'
Friday's pardons, coupled with early word that the governor was planning to issue commutations, sparked outrage from prosecutors and family members of victims.

"I believe that he is wiping his muddy shoes on the face of victims, using them as the doormat as he leaves his office," said Peoria County State's Attorney Kevin Lyons on CNN's NewsNight. "It says much more about George Ryan than it does about the death penalty."

Ollie Dodds, whose daughter died in the fire Hobley was convicted of setting and remains convinced he is responsible, said, "This brings back memories just like it happened."

Lyons accused Ryan of arrogantly substituting his own judgment for those of juries and courts that have imposed and upheld the death sentences, assuming that "none of us get it but him."

"Everybody has had not their day in court, they've had their years in court," Lyons said. "It's shameful that the victims of this state, in fact, have to not fear the courts, not the defense lawyers, not the defendants, but they have to fear their very own governor."

Ryan said he decided to pardon the four men rather than commute their sentences to life because he is convinced they did not commit the crimes that sent them to death row. All four men say they were tortured by police.

'Thank God this day has finally come'
Hobley, 42, who was convicted of killing seven people, including his wife and son, in a fire in 1987, said the pardon was a "dream come true."

"Thank God that this day has finally come," he said after being released from a state prison in Pontiac.

Orange, 52, who was condemned after being convicted of four murders in 1985, said he felt "alive" as he walked out of the Cook County Jail on Friday.

"I didn't believe it when I first found out about it," he said. "Thank you with all my heart and soul."

Patterson, 38, said he's "going to do all right" after walking out of the Pontiac prison. He was sentenced to die for the murder of a Chicago couple in 1986.

All four are part of a group of 10 death row prisoners who claim they were tortured into giving confessions under the direction of then-Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge. He was fired after internal police investigators found systemic evidence of physical abuse of suspects.
 
The trail of Ryan's wrongdoing as Ill. Sec. of State, in the illegal license scandal has led right to his backdoor. With any luck he will find himself as the girlfriend of one of the people he has recently showed such magnanimous mercy on.

After I raised my son, and he graduated high school I boogied from Illinois as fast as my big *** could move. It is probabley fortunate for Jim Ryan (not George Ryan the governor) that he lost to Rod Blow.. Rough road ahead for Illinois taxpayers. Rod said "no new taxes, and 250,000 new jobs" Go Rod!
 
Anyone notice how this sets up Gov.-elect Blow to be "law and order," via his objections to the commutations?

I think that this is partially theater. Wanna bet Ryan is resurrected as either a demokrap or as a RINO appointee of Gov. Blow meant to demonstrate the new Gov.'s "commitment" to "bi-partisanship."



:cuss:
 
Here's another charming twosome that Ryan let go:

Ryan's Cuddly Little Victims of the System

"Back in 1995, Jacqueline Williams, an Illinois mother of three, decided she
wanted another baby. So she, boyfriend Fedell Caffey and cousin Levern Ward
went to visit Ward's ex-girlfriend Debra Evans, who was nearly nine months
pregnant. A contemporaneous Associated Press dispatch describes what
happened:

" 'Caffey fatally shot and stabbed the pregnant woman, then he and Ward
killed her 10-year-old daughter, Samantha. . . . Caffey then cut open Evans'
body with scissors, and Williams extracted and resuscitated the baby,
authorities said. Relatives said Williams has some training in nursing.

"...'The three abducted the newborn and Evans' 8-year-old son, Joshua,
police said. Hours later, they allegedly slashed the older boy's throat and
dumped his body in an alley. The Chicago Tribune quoted unidentified
authorities as saying the group also tried to kill Joshua by poisoning him
with iodine and strangling him.'

"...The three murderers were convicted, and Caffey and Williams were
sentenced to death. On Saturday Illinois's Gov. George Ryan commuted their
sentence, along with those of Illinois's other 165 prisoners on death
row..."

- James Taranto, Best of the Web, 1/13/03
 
HOWEVER

It looks like Umphrey, the guy who killed Phyllis Liles because she was foolish enough to pull over and try to help him, thus falling into the trap he'd set, may still get the needle.

This is possible because--I am not making this up--the worthless son of a diseased ape was too stupid to sign his appeal for clemency to the Governor! The prosecutor down here has already filed the paperwork to have the commutation invalidated.

It's a technicality, but apparently that's the game we're playing with the justice system this year. :rolleyes:

There is, by the way, absolutely NO question of Umphrey's guilt. None whatsoever. The only reason they found Phyllis Liles' body was that the sicko called from Minnesota, apparently to taunt the police (he thought he was going to slip off to Canada--Canadian border guards cancelled his plans) and told them precisely where she was buried.
 
I ain't disagreeing with any of you, but the system in Illinois is SERIOUSLY broken. Find a copy of the book, "Reasonable Doubt". Story of a man GROSSLY wrongfully convicted of poisoning then bludgeoning his wife and 4 kids.

Saddest part is, a P.I. hired by his parents was able to 'solve' the crime with no problem. Oh, well, there is one little problem. The eyewitness testimony that would ice the real killer is not admissible in Illinois, since the woman who washed the blood out of the real killer's clothes happened to be married to the psychopath. And the taunting admission that the killer made to the P.I. is hearsay. Can't use that, either. :cuss:

Maybe the sickest part is that the woman who can't testify is the sister of the deceased.


All of which was deliberately ignored by a D.A. up for re-election. :cuss:

But Ryan's actions are the wrong answer to a serious problem.
 
I know Illinois is screwed up, but this is not going to make it better. Quite the opposite.

There are leaks coming out of the Governor's Commission on Capital Punishment today. Their findings were supposed to be secret, but Ryan made a show of talking about his "very distinguished" commission and how their report made it clear what he had to do when he announced the commutations.

According to the sources inside the commission, its report recommended clemency for "fewer than ten" cases." That sounds to me like "fewer than ten, including the four who were pardoned" since the report was made long before the pardons. So, at most, they recommended FIVE commutations.

Ryan commuted 157 at last count, again, not counting the four he pardoned. :scrutiny:
 
Do your research, people. Since the death penalty was reinstated, Illinois has released more death row inmates because of innocence (not the "technicalities" that so many like to bemoan) than have been executed. Seems to me that a group of people who believe in the Constitution and limiting government power would not support the execution of the innocent because it is more cost efficient and to prevent the guilty ones from escaping executed.

The really humorous thing is that then Gov. Bush stated while campaigning for President said that Texas, which has executed approx. 400 people since the death penalty was reinstated, has never executed an innocent person. Illinois had only executed 15 at the time. But the Texas system is different! :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, I am (no longer) opposed to the death penalty, just the way it has been used and abused.
 
Bikeguy, I have no doubt that the system has "been used and abused." But Ryan acted like judge and jury in this, and he did an end-run around the legislative process. If Illinois folks don't want the death penalty, then let them vote to abolish it. This was a particularly abominable act on Ryan's part.
 
The only possible alternative is to continue the moratorium and to examine each case individually. Maybe that was the better thing to do, maybe not. The big problem with that solution is that the evidence is extremely stale in many of these cases. If they were wrongfuly convicted in the 80's, it would be extremely hard to prove it now, what with dead witnesses and all.

Hopefuly the people of Illinois (and other states) will use this as a wake up call and install some meaningful safeguards. However, until the mindset of the police and prosecutors changes, the system will not. Often these people lose sight of the fact that their job is to pursue the truth, and not to win a conviction. As an example, look at all the DA's and AG's who are fighting tooth and nail to prevent DNA testing of evidence in cases that were tried prrior to the ability to DNA test. Why on earth would anyone do that? Because they don't want to have an "Illinois" in their state. Some of them oppose it on the notion that it would be expensive and time consuming. SO WHAT! We are talking about the state destroying the lives of innocent people! (The ones who actually are innocent, that is).
 
New Mexico ring a bell?

This seems to ring a bell with me, somehow.
Anybody from New Mexico, isn't this the same thing one of your Govs did way back.
IIRC, when the death row inmates got put back in regular population, a couple proceeded to escape and commit more murders, which got them, of course, new death penalties.
:banghead:
 
Often these people lose sight of the fact that their job is to pursue the truth, and not to win a conviction.


Amen and amen. And too many consider themselves to be the jury - those 12 people sitting in that box are just an inconvenience. They just need to be persuaded of the truth. ("Truth being defined by the cops or DAs.)


Too often election politics plays into it.
 
Bikeguy, I'm sorry, but that doesn't wash. Thanks for the order to do my research, by the way. I would probably have forgotten otherwise.

Anyway, the point is that those men were released. How do you suppose that happened? The Innocence Project and others used modern standards of evidence and the appeals process to get them out. Now they're out. Not one of them, as you slipped and stated above, was executed.

Yes, more were released than executed. That's because it takes about 20 years to execute a murderer in Illinois when there's absolutely no doubt about his guilt. Consequently, only a small fraction of those condemned have actually been executed, just like only a small fraction were found to be innocent and subsequently released. There were still 157 or so on death row about whom there was just no doubt at all.
 
Don - How long do you think it would have taken for some "law and order" candidates to start running on a platform of reversing the moratorium on executions? Even if that did not happen, examining each case would have amounted to a commutation, since many of the convicted and witnesses would be dead by the time their cases could have been reviewed. The system is seriously f'ed up, and innocent people have probably been executed.

How do you know that there was no doubt about those 157 or so? Have their cases been perused with the same fine toothed comb as the fortunate ones who were released?

I apologize if I mis-typed above. I think everyone knew what I was saying.
 
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