BerettaNut92
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5+1 = good, 7+1 = gooder....not really for capacity, but reloading the thing just takes so darn long....
I'm not going to war - so why 7 rounds?
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Wow - some interesting responses. The motive behind my question is as follows. I - as all of you -- value a firearm with enough heat in the pipe to get a job done. But most of my shotgunning will be limited to trap/skeet, and phone-books. Given that, I was really just curious if it is worth the extra time and bucks to seek out an 870 w/an extended tube. Are there shotgun games that require more than 4 rounds that I might find myself sucked into as my experience increases?
BerettaNut92
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IME the capacity only gives you an advantage on stages with low round counts, after that it really comes down to how fast you can load...
Some of us like to keep our HD shooties loaded and ready in the following manner. Chamber empty, cocked, mag. tube downloaded by one round (to reduce tension on mag spring plus compression on shot shells). With this method an extension helps with an adequate ammo supply. As stated by others in this thread, trouble can appear in various forms. If on the off chance you have to throw a few rounds for cover fire or to prevent movement by attackers, the more ammo you have the better armed you are. Al
Why do i need...? why do you need...?
Let's settle this really quickly: you dont NEED it. period.
The only things a human being can claim to need are nutrients and air. That's it.
As for all our WANTS, which we claim we 'need', we can answer as follows every time:
The lack of need is NOT a valid reason to restrict ownership of anything in a free market economy. Period.
Dont get it? OK, a free market allows a person to pursue both his economic needs (nutrients and air) and wants without restriction.
So anytime someone asks why you need something other than food,water, and breatheable gas; you dont have to answer the question. To answer it assumes a validity that the question does not have in this country.
C-
Let's settle this really quickly: you dont NEED it. period.
The only things a human being can claim to need are nutrients and air. That's it.
As for all our WANTS, which we claim we 'need', we can answer as follows every time:
The lack of need is NOT a valid reason to restrict ownership of anything in a free market economy. Period.
Dont get it? OK, a free market allows a person to pursue both his economic needs (nutrients and air) and wants without restriction.
So anytime someone asks why you need something other than food,water, and breatheable gas; you dont have to answer the question. To answer it assumes a validity that the question does not have in this country.
C-
Steve Smith
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Amadeus, none of the "flying clay bird" games will require a huge magazine (excepting Team Challenge events) but yes, in 3-gun competitions, it may come in very handy.
I have an extended magazine. I only use it in competition (IDPA side matches) and I usually leave it set up like that.
When I burd hunt with it, I take off the extention, put my magazine plug back in, and put the 26 inch barrel on it.
When I take it asa back-up rifle, I leave the 22 inch deer barrel on it, but take off the mag extentsion. Truthfully, the extended mag weighs a BUNCH fully loaded and its a chore to lug around all day, and it's muzzle heavy.
It's a tool, but that tool has variable uses. If my shotgun was my primary HD weapon, I'd leave the extended mag on it at all times.
When I burd hunt with it, I take off the extention, put my magazine plug back in, and put the 26 inch barrel on it.
When I take it asa back-up rifle, I leave the 22 inch deer barrel on it, but take off the mag extentsion. Truthfully, the extended mag weighs a BUNCH fully loaded and its a chore to lug around all day, and it's muzzle heavy.
It's a tool, but that tool has variable uses. If my shotgun was my primary HD weapon, I'd leave the extended mag on it at all times.
Mannlicher
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Amadeus,
I did not read all the thread, so I am sure someone already mentioned that in today's world, you don't know if you are going to war or not. Things happen, usually very quickly, and if you don't have your stuff with you, then you lose. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
Always your choice, but if you don't plan for bad things, then you may as well just go unarmed.
I did not read all the thread, so I am sure someone already mentioned that in today's world, you don't know if you are going to war or not. Things happen, usually very quickly, and if you don't have your stuff with you, then you lose. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.
Always your choice, but if you don't plan for bad things, then you may as well just go unarmed.
Any one get 10 or more rounds in their benelli? Is it possible? Does any one know of a place that can custom fabricate a benelli mag extention?
I'm planning on getting a benelli M4 but would like to have 10 rounds in it. A 2 round mag extention is all that Benelli offers for the M4.
I'm planning on getting a benelli M4 but would like to have 10 rounds in it. A 2 round mag extention is all that Benelli offers for the M4.
Andrew Wyatt
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uuh, the new sysem of retaining the spring is cheaper than the old system.
sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
redneck2
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As they say at the nursing home...
Depends....
I you want to be a mall ninja military style wanna-be and impress the other neighborhood kids with how bad-a@@ you are, put on a mag that holds a coupla dozen rounds
If you're actually going to USE the gun (read hunting), carrying around a lot of extra ammo loaded in the gun is pretty much useless. Also very tiring.
In a hunting situation, the only time I can think of that I've ever needed more than 2 or mebbe 3 shots was deer hunting (going after wounded deer that pop up running). My friend got the buck with the 4th shot. That was in over 30 years of hunting.
See McCrackens thread above about hunting in the fall. He advocates a single shot, and for good reason. I started with a Sears 16 gauge single I got from grandpa. Still have it. Killed enough game to fill a pick-up...probably several times.
I've seen some farm boys with plain old double barrels that could do some real shootin'
If you're after game with shot, they'll be out of range before you can get off more than 2 shots anyway. And all that extra weight out front ruins the balance and swing.
I figure the reason these guys want so many shots is that they need 'em
Depends....
I you want to be a mall ninja military style wanna-be and impress the other neighborhood kids with how bad-a@@ you are, put on a mag that holds a coupla dozen rounds
If you're actually going to USE the gun (read hunting), carrying around a lot of extra ammo loaded in the gun is pretty much useless. Also very tiring.
In a hunting situation, the only time I can think of that I've ever needed more than 2 or mebbe 3 shots was deer hunting (going after wounded deer that pop up running). My friend got the buck with the 4th shot. That was in over 30 years of hunting.
See McCrackens thread above about hunting in the fall. He advocates a single shot, and for good reason. I started with a Sears 16 gauge single I got from grandpa. Still have it. Killed enough game to fill a pick-up...probably several times.
I've seen some farm boys with plain old double barrels that could do some real shootin'
If you're after game with shot, they'll be out of range before you can get off more than 2 shots anyway. And all that extra weight out front ruins the balance and swing.
I figure the reason these guys want so many shots is that they need 'em
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You may not be going to war but war may come to you
seeker_two
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Well, after reading this thread (and Preacherman's), I'm beginning to think that my Stoeger 12ga. SxS Coach Gun is pretty inadequate for HD. 
(Fortunately, I have a few other guns to back it up with... )
It's not a matter of "need". It's a matter of CHOICE. If someone chooses to have a 7+ round tube on their scattergun, then more power to them. If someone feels that 4 or less is enough, then more power to them, too.
But when someone (businesses, other shooters, government, etc.) want to prevent me from having the choice, then we've got a problem...
(Fortunately, I have a few other guns to back it up with... )It's not a matter of "need". It's a matter of CHOICE. If someone chooses to have a 7+ round tube on their scattergun, then more power to them. If someone feels that 4 or less is enough, then more power to them, too.
But when someone (businesses, other shooters, government, etc.) want to prevent me from having the choice, then we've got a problem...
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"I'm not going to war - so why 7 rounds?"
That mindset is typical for California and it is a prime example why the gun laws are the way they are there, as well as elsewhere. Too many people think that the government should dictate on how many shells your shotgun can hold or how many rounds your magazines can accept.
Here's a novel idea: If you only want to shoot four rounds out of your boomstick, then don't load the magazine to full capacity. The solution is so simple its stupid. Think for yourself and make your own choices.
That mindset is typical for California and it is a prime example why the gun laws are the way they are there, as well as elsewhere. Too many people think that the government should dictate on how many shells your shotgun can hold or how many rounds your magazines can accept.
Here's a novel idea: If you only want to shoot four rounds out of your boomstick, then don't load the magazine to full capacity. The solution is so simple its stupid. Think for yourself and make your own choices.
Amadeus,
I now have two 870's that are/will be used only for Trap and occasionally Skeet. Their magazine plugs stay in and they're put away. One of these is an older 870TB (the subject of another thread) which I have yet to shoot. The other is a standard 870 field gun which I've modified with a custom stock specifically for Trap.
When you start using an 870 for Skeet, you will learn how fast and accurate you can be. Skeet doubles are work with an 870 but it can be done; I've done it and I'm not what I consider to be an expert with an 870. Trap is a good game for an 870, very doable.
But let's say you're home one night and four guys come busting through your door; you happen to have your 870 ready with 3 rounds (which at room distance hit as a solid mass with the wad). You empty the shotgun quickly and effectively because you've practiced, and you now have three bad guys down; the fight is down to just one bad guy across the room and you with an empty gun. His cheap pistol is coming up, what are you going to do ... do you feel lucky?
"Civilian Needs" in this day and age of home invasions has changed a lot from the past. In addition to the two game guns, I have another 870 configured for HD -- 5+1 rounds of #4 Buck. There's a large caliber pistol backing it up.
Do I expect to be invaded by a half dozen bad guys? Nope, not likely, but why limit my ability to defend myself if the need arises. At least remove the magazine plug and give yourself 4+1. Those extra two rounds could save your ???. There's no need to limit mag capacity. You single load for Trap so the 870's mag capacity is never an issue.
Please define "civilian needs".
I now have two 870's that are/will be used only for Trap and occasionally Skeet. Their magazine plugs stay in and they're put away. One of these is an older 870TB (the subject of another thread) which I have yet to shoot. The other is a standard 870 field gun which I've modified with a custom stock specifically for Trap.
When you start using an 870 for Skeet, you will learn how fast and accurate you can be. Skeet doubles are work with an 870 but it can be done; I've done it and I'm not what I consider to be an expert with an 870. Trap is a good game for an 870, very doable.
But let's say you're home one night and four guys come busting through your door; you happen to have your 870 ready with 3 rounds (which at room distance hit as a solid mass with the wad). You empty the shotgun quickly and effectively because you've practiced, and you now have three bad guys down; the fight is down to just one bad guy across the room and you with an empty gun. His cheap pistol is coming up, what are you going to do ... do you feel lucky?
"Civilian Needs" in this day and age of home invasions has changed a lot from the past. In addition to the two game guns, I have another 870 configured for HD -- 5+1 rounds of #4 Buck. There's a large caliber pistol backing it up.
Do I expect to be invaded by a half dozen bad guys? Nope, not likely, but why limit my ability to defend myself if the need arises. At least remove the magazine plug and give yourself 4+1. Those extra two rounds could save your ???. There's no need to limit mag capacity. You single load for Trap so the 870's mag capacity is never an issue.
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As was said, 3-gun can use the higher capacity. I just shot a match which had a 21-round shotgun stage, more if the steel did not fall. I have an 8+1 Mossberg 590 and I reloaded alot and was at a disadvantage to the semi-auto shooters. Some of them have 30" barrels and magazines which go to the end of the barrel. Still, very much fun.
Lee
As was said, 3-gun can use the higher capacity. I just shot a match which had a 21-round shotgun stage, more if the steel did not fall. I have an 8+1 Mossberg 590 and I reloaded alot and was at a disadvantage to the semi-auto shooters. Some of them have 30" barrels and magazines which go to the end of the barrel. Still, very much fun.
Lee
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I don't expect that i'm going to need that many rounds, either. But my Mossberg 500 still stays loaded with 7 rounds.
I don't think i'm going to need it, but if i do, i'd definitely like to have it available.
I don't think i'm going to need it, but if i do, i'd definitely like to have it available.
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was staying out of it
I was staying out of it a I don't think the question is a legitimate one with the exception of what do I need to best participate in "X" sport/shooting game. Capacity should be an individual decision and no one here, in government, or in business should be able to dictate that to you.
I choose my three shotguns for various reasons. All 3 (Ithaca 37, Stevens 620, and Winchester 97) all have small capacity tubes. I wouldn't even wonder if someone showed up with a 590 or other higher capacity shotgun. More then likely, the first thing I would wonder is if they want to swap for a few rounds just to see how their's handles.
The reason I jumped in was to ask Triggertime, "***?" How did California jump into this? I realise the state is a rats nest, but last time I checked it took more then the Left Coast to create a NATIONAL gun law...
Jeff
I was staying out of it a I don't think the question is a legitimate one with the exception of what do I need to best participate in "X" sport/shooting game. Capacity should be an individual decision and no one here, in government, or in business should be able to dictate that to you.
I choose my three shotguns for various reasons. All 3 (Ithaca 37, Stevens 620, and Winchester 97) all have small capacity tubes. I wouldn't even wonder if someone showed up with a 590 or other higher capacity shotgun. More then likely, the first thing I would wonder is if they want to swap for a few rounds just to see how their's handles.
The reason I jumped in was to ask Triggertime, "***?" How did California jump into this? I realise the state is a rats nest, but last time I checked it took more then the Left Coast to create a NATIONAL gun law...
Jeff
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I'd appreciate it if you'd keep your bigoted comments to yourself.
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The comment is not bigoted or even prejudiced, as the evidence of past election results and the current laws allowed to be enacted by Californians show.
The observation is correct.
Please remember that typical does not include everyone, but rather that it is a mindset exhibiting the essential characteristics of a group (Californians).
Sometimes we need to think before the knee is jerked.
As to the topic.
Sometimes it is better to have and not need, then need and not have.
Regards,
Cameron
As others have pointed out:
"I do not plan to go to war, but I never know when war will come to me."
Having seen some reports of multiple BG's disguised as Good Guys, and crashing doors, etc. I want to be as ready as possible.
For normal "Field & Woods" use, the mag plug goes in and the 28" Mod barrel goes on. For HD use, no mag plug and the 18-1/2" cylinder barrel
"I do not plan to go to war, but I never know when war will come to me."
Having seen some reports of multiple BG's disguised as Good Guys, and crashing doors, etc. I want to be as ready as possible.
For normal "Field & Woods" use, the mag plug goes in and the 28" Mod barrel goes on. For HD use, no mag plug and the 18-1/2" cylinder barrel
Smoke
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Because when a real threat presents itself and I'm all geeked up on adrenaline and rational thought has flown out the window and I dump my first three rounds in something other than the bad guy I have more rounds to try to take the BG out.
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