Impulse buy: S&W 69 Combat Magnum

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Geez, missed that one at the PA Outdoor Show.
Easy enough to do! I had to ask where it was as S&W had so many guns on display I almost missed the entire second half of their display! And that was just one exhibitor.

I was in early Saturday with an Exhibitor's pass, and I was thinking, "wow, this place is getting crowded." About that time the PA system announced, "Attention Exhibitors: The show will be opening in 15 minutes." ... :eek:

What an anthill! By noon we were shuffling along half a step at a time. Fortunately I'd planned ahead that I wanted to see a specific set of things and searched them out. Otherwise it would have been hard to just stumble upon something interesting. Just too many people to see anything by happenstance.
 
Congrats, eldon! I'm sure you'll enjoy your new toy!

As someone who has in the past looked at the 5 shot .44 Mag. Taurus and wished wistfully that S&W would make one, I really, really want one!

Would I rather have one without the lock? Of course! If it was a model I could get used without it would I go used instead of new? Yes! But just like the 460s and 500s this model only comes with the lock so I'll end up ordering another one of those "plug-the-hole" kits.

I highly doubt I'll be sorry I [eventually] got one.

Oh, as long as we're sending up wishes for barrel lengths... I think 5" would be perfect.
 
As someone who has in the past looked at the 5 shot .44 Mag. Taurus and wished wistfully that S&W would make one, I really, really want one!

Would I rather have one without the lock? Of course! If it was a model I could get used without it would I go used instead of new? Yes! But just like the 460s and 500s this model only comes with the lock so I'll end up ordering another one of those "plug-the-hole" kits.

That is almost exactly how I feel about. Do I wish it didn't have a lock? Sure. Would I get a used Taurus Tracker instead? No. I wish I liked the (6)29s better, but I don't feel any magic when holding them or I'd hunt down a pre-lock version of one of those.
 
That is almost exactly how I feel about. Do I wish it didn't have a lock? Sure. Would I get a used Taurus Tracker instead? No]

That's about how I feel too. I like the concept of this gun a lot. If there was a pre lock option, I'd likely search one out, but seeing how there isn't... I can possibly overlook the lock.
 
Alrighty, so I got to take her out to the range today, and I am pretty in love at this point. Excellent Valentine's day romance haha. It is still early and the honeymoon phase obviously, but if I really were ever forced to choose a single handgun to own, this might have just jumped to the top of the list. I shot 100 rounds of Prvi Partizan 240 gr JHP .44 magnum ammo today. Based on PPU's website, the spec is full-strength though my chrono (as well as all my reloading supplies) are in Georgia, and I'm in Texas right now, so I couldn't do any checking or experimentation.

I put about 1000-1500 dry fires on it over the past week. I am still not nearly as familiar with the Smith DA trigger compared to the Ruger DA, but the Smith SA is excellent no matter what you are used to. I find the Ruger DA a little easier to stage at this point. Shooting it in DA, it has a bit of sting to it, but nothing too bad. Shooting it SA was no problem at all. I don't know if that is normal, but I always feel like DA shots tend to sting a little more than SA whether it be from the muscles in my hand being tensed or the grip being pushed into the web a bit harder at the moment of discharge. I wasn't sure how I would like the grip, but it turned out to work great for me. It is tacky enough to give secure grip but without grabbing skin. On my SP101 and Ruger Alaskan, I usually can't go more than 50-75 rounds before I get a blister in the web of my hand with stock rubber, Hogues, or Pachmyrs. No such problem with the stock Smith grip. I thought I felt it offering just a slight bit of cushion too deforming under recoil, that but that is hard to say for sure.

I attached the target from my last 20 rounds. These were all fired at 15yds, offhand, SA. The first group on the target is on the right, the last group is on the left. My focus started to wane a bit as 100 rounds is about my limit for this recoil level before things start to get sloppy, so you'll notice the 4 fliers. I still think it highlights the accuracy potential of the revolver. The black square is 1" x 1". I don't know if that is a testament to a two-piece barrel's accuracy or not, but that is about as good as I can shoot in general, especially with a big bore.

I did have the same findings as Paul 105. These rounds were landing 6" or so high at this distance. I was actually aiming at the bottom squares for each group. I suppose the groups might have been a tad smaller were POI=POA just because any variation in the rotational level of the gun would cause some left-to-right dispersion. I assume as he did that they are sighted in for .44 Special. I'll probably try it out at 25 yds next trip to figure out how high it is landing at a relatively "standard" distance and see if I can give S&W a phone call to get a new front sight mailed out. Other than that, no problems. Hard to believe but my greasing of the cylinder didn't make it bind ;). Nor did the two-piece barrel fall off (at least today). I couldn't perceive any loosening up though I wouldn't expect it after 100 rds. I do think I noticed a small gremlin peak out of the lock hole and wink at me, but I guess he was taking the day off as there were no problems to note.

In short, this is definitely one of my current favorites. Hopefully a long-term romance is born :D
 

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Good luck with this revolver eldon519! I've yet to get to a .44 Mag., but I think this model may push me over the edge when I can save up enough to get one. I love the way my L-Frame 686P feels and shoots. If this one is similar I don't know how I can not want one. Thanks for the write-up and the continuing review.
 
The trigger is smooth which is a good thing in my mind. It does recoil considerably, so I would think a grooved trigger would take on a cheese grater effect as rounds go by. I would think it would fit in any L-frame holster.

420stainless,
It might not be the easiest package to tame a .44 in but it certainly isn't unmanageable. You could try one of the lighter 629s like a 3" or 4" halflug and if that seems reasonable, take the plunge on a 69. I think the slightly lower bore axis of a 5- shot did produce relatively low muzzle flip for the gun's weight.
 
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The trigger is smooth which is a good thing in my mind. It does recoil considerably, so I would think a grooved trigger would take on a cheese grater effect as rounds go by. .

That's the answer I was hopping to hear for the exact same reasons you stated.

Thanks!
 
420stainless,
It might not be the easiest package to tame a .44 in but it certainly isn't unmanageable. You could try one of the lighter 629s like a 3" or 4" halflug and if that seems reasonable, take the plunge on a 69. I think the slightly lower bore axis of a 5- shot did produce relatively low muzzle flip for the gun's weight.

:D I'm not at all shy about recoil. Just really haven't felt the need for a .44 Magnum yet. I have a Vaquero in .45 Colt that I load up to very high levels when I want - of course it weighs a pound more than the M69. Also have a Model 57.

I still don't have a need, but I do have an affinity for relatively compact handguns though and this revolver is looking mighty attractive to me. Even more so since I started reloading .44 Special last year after acquiring a 5-shot Taurus.
 
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Oh sorry 420Stainless, I read your post wrong and was thinking this was your first step up to the bigger boomers. It is a bit more "exciting" than Ruger loads in my Bisley .45Colt, but I would think if you could handle one, you could handle the other.

AFDavis11, thanks! I'm very pleased with it!
 
The first gun I shot was My friend 's .44 mag with hunting loads. The first gun I bought was a .357 magnum, and the second gun I bought was a 460 magnum with a 5" bbl.

I've utterly ruined the appeal of rim fire for myself..... I just love the cannons. I need to look for a 69 next year.
 
I've also been starting to drool a bit since I've heard of this revolver - thanks for sharing your info! The shorter barrel revolvers do tend to need a taller front sight - I wonder if the sight on these are the same as on the 6 inch 629? Do they offer different factory sight heights on the 629?
 
It's a neat little sixgun and I'd love to have one, if I could overlook my misgivings about new S&W's and the lofty price tag. I'm torn but can't forget that its tariff would pay for a nice 4" model 24. A Mundenized, pre-lock 629MG is a tough act to follow but if I didn't already have it, I'd be all over the 69.

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It's a 4.25" half underlug, not your standard L frame.
Well since most off the shelf holsters will fit either a L frame or a GP100 that has a 4.2" barrel and the lack of a full lug isn't going to keep it from fitting. I guess I just didn't think he'd mean a off the shelf custom fit holster.
 
As it pertains to "off-the-shelf" holsters...

By it being a 5-shooter instead of a 6 shooter, won't the holster's indents for the cylinder recesses be incorrectly located if you try to use it in a holster designed for a 6-shooter?

If I'm paying in the neighborhood of $100 for a quality holster, "sort of" fits really isn't the answer I'm looking for.
 
Well since most off the shelf holsters will fit either a L frame or a GP100 that has a 4.2" barrel and the lack of a full lug isn't going to keep it from fitting. I guess I just didn't think he'd mean a off the shelf custom fit holster.

Hey friend, I'll just state my experience. Folks can spend their money how they please! I make holsters for both the L & the GP100. If the Ruger is a 4.2 the frame must come down farther than the Smith as unless you knew which was made for which the fit is superb from one to the other. If the muzzle is flush on a 4" smith, that extra quarter inch will stick out on a properly fitted holster. Can't speak to off the shelf offerings.

My main intent with my post was to point out that there is a difference even if it is a small one. This would be more important on a closed toe holster, for obvious reasons. Your results may vary :)

As it pertains to "off-the-shelf" holsters...

By it being a 5-shooter instead of a 6 shooter, won't the holster's indents for the cylinder recesses be incorrectly located if you try to use it in a holster designed for a 6-shooter?

If I'm paying in the neighborhood of $100 for a quality holster, "sort of" fits really isn't the answer I'm looking for.

The cylinder flutes would be different, it doesn't really play much into the fit of the holster as the bulk of your retention will come off the trigger guard area, & barrel. But it IS different as you stated. Without sticking a caliper on it I can't say if the cylinder would be any difference in length than a standard 686.

If it were a more modern 'detail boned' holster the lines wouldn't match up to the gun if made for a 6 shot.

Completely with you on that last line, though. :)
 
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