In Praise of the Non-Tactical Pocketknife

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For most of the past 10 years my pocketknife has been a "tactical" folder. First, it was a Spyderco Delica. When I lost the Delica (found it 3 months later) a few years ago, I replaced it with a Benchmade Griptilian. I've been very happy with both knives. They are well made, hold a nice edge, lock securely, and need only one hand to open.

Last weekend I dug out my old Victorinox Pioneer Swiss Army Knife (SWAK). I've had this since sometime in the early '80s. Unlike the current production silver-colored Pioneers the aluminum handle scales on mine have a red oxide finish. It has a spear point blade, bottle opener, can opener, large and small screwdriver blades, a wire stripper notch on the bottle opener, a reamer/awl, and a key ring. It's the same as the real issue SWAK or "Soldier," with the exception of the key ring. Picking up the Pioneer felt like getting reacquainted with an old friend.

I carried my SWAK for years. It accompanied me on a six week trip to Europe in 1984, following me behind the Iron Curtain into Hungary and Yugoslavia and back. I've used it to cut stuff, tighten and loosen screws, pop open sodas and beers, and poke holes in things with the reamer. In other words, it can do a lot more than a knife with only a blade.

My job is in an office pushing bits and bytes around. Dress is business casual. I'd look goofy with a multitool on my belt. Like it or not, fashion can influence knife choice. (And I'm hardly a fashion plate.) And as for tacticality, the closest I have to training in knife fighting is a semester of fencing in college, close to 20 years ago.

So, Sunday I checked the edge (still shaving sharp after a few years languishing in the handlebar bag on my mountain bike, out in a shed) and sprayed out some dust with some Superlube dry teflon lubricant from a can, and since then I've been carrying the Pioneer instead of my Benchmade. It fits nicely in my pocket like it belongs there and offers more functionality than the Griptilian. The only real advantage the latter has is one-hand opening.

I'm liking having my old friend with me once again. I may even order another one or two to stash away for the future or in an emergency kit.
 
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Dave Markowitz,

I understand completely. I grew up with "Slip Joints", everyone carried a knife. One was not dressed if they did not have a knife, no matter if girl or boy, or lady or gent.

$1 Barlow Knifes cleaned game and fish, cut rope, shaved wood for tinder for a fire. Mine did.
Case Camp Knife, did all this, and the ability to open cans, lift the cap off a soda, put on the spare "universal" radiator hose on a vehicle with a worried mom, a long way from home, a long way from anywhere, with 3 younger sibs using the screwdriver blade and water from a stream - comforting.

From nine days to twenty-one days I spent out in the woods of Canada, and other places. A $1 Old Hickory paring knife or Utility knife accompanied me, in my gear. ALWAYS on my person was a Case Camp knife, and later a Swiss Army Knife.

Locking knives were usually Buck 110s, or in My case, A Case Mako Shark. Though carried, the most used hunting knife for me was still a Barlow, Sodbuster Jr., or Case Trapper, with the Chrome Vanadium Blades....
ALWAYS a second knife, and that knife being a Case Camp, or Swiss Army with a few useful blades.

When the bad man came from the shadows, the Case Camp knife found another use and that threat was stopped.
Stopped another threat with Case Trapper with yellow handles, that ran red with blood...

I always carry a Swiss Army Classic, I have for years. Ironic this thread be posted, and I only have one locking knife, and that one is not tactical, does not even have a pocket clip, it stays in my vehicle in case of emergency, along with a SAK. That SAK is the knife most used in that vehicle.

I am having to daily carry that SAK, need to order a SAK daily knife so I can put it back where it has always been. Most likely a Soldier, Recruit, or Bantam would work as well...these have proven themselves for me and others...

Practical.

How raised - what you do - me.
 
Many knives have come and gone into the "life" box, but I have almost always carried an SAK the last 20 years. The only time my SAK goes in the drawer is when I have my OldTimer single blade with me it is a single folding blade and has a liner lock.
I like the new one I got in Switzerland last spring, a silver Army model sans toothpick and tweezer.
But I mostly carry a tinker, big and small blade, screwdriver/bottle opener, can opener/small screwdriver, with a philipshead and awl flip side, along with the requisite tweezers and toothpick.
 
Dave said:
Dress is business casual. I'd look goofy with a multitool on my belt.
I guess I must look pretty goofy, then. :cool:

Nah, I went through much the same thing, but my Leatherman is more of a religion at this point than an accessory. So I did some digging around online and found a good quality brown leather belt sheath for my Wave. It seems to work out OK, I suppose - as long as I remember to wear a brown leather belt and brown shoes, anyway. Better than trying to carry it in my pocket.

Of course, all my co-workers know I'm little more than a hillbilly tarted-up in a pair of khaki pants and a polo shirt, so they probably wouldn't expect any different.
 
My Leatherman Wave has proven itself so useful I wear it regardless of how goofy it might look.
 
Dad always carried a wooden-handled Case Electrician's knife. Then again, he wasn't a big fan of Mr. Phillips. ;)

For probably 15 years, I always carried a SAK, sometimes backed up with a Buck 110 in a belt pouch. Then, I turned to Leatherman products. I've tried almost all of them... original, Micra, Juice, Squirt, Wave, Charge. I never liked the way the smaller ones felt in my pockets, and I don't much care for having more stuff hanging off my belt anymore.

I have also played around with a bunch of modern folders... mostly Spyderco and Benchmade. I can honestly say that although I appreciate older slipjoints (I've used a yellow-handled Case trapper on quite a few birds, and I still use dad's knife from time to time), the one-handed openers with a clip are far easier and faster to use.

At some point, I switched back to a SAK over the Leatherman, and for the most part don't miss anything. In fact, as I type this, I've got a Victorinox Tinker deep in my front pocket, with a Benchmade Mini-Presidio clipped to the top. Perhaps the best of both worlds.
 
Hmm...SAKs...

It's a love hate relationship. They're dirt cheap and the tools can be very useful but I never seem to find one with EXACTLY what I want on it. Also, the blade does not lock and the spring is not all that strong (and is downright weak on the small ones) - I just won't use them for rough tasks because of this. I don't like the blade shape either. I think a pointy wharncliffe would suit them better. Oh, and I think they feel very cheap and bad quality in the hand. Re-handling them with wood helps this but it's be nice to have them good out of the box.

I'm not a 'SAK hater', I just think they could be a lot better.
 
Fosbery,

You should check out one of the SWAKs with the aluminum handle scales. They feel anything but cheap.

As for your other issues, well, that's what makes a horse race.
 
Fosberry, if you go to the Victorinox website, they do make models with locking blades. For example, I have a One-Handed Trekker that I love. It has a large thumbhole in the blade for opening, and a partially serrated blade. Has some of the standard tools too. Also, the scales are textured rather than the smooth plastic of other models. I love it, the only reason I don't carry it is because I don't have a belt pouch for it yet.

And I apologize if that was rather dis-jointed, I'm not entirely with it right now...
 
I used to be a SAK carrier, but converted over to Leatherman some time back. The Wave is just better suited to what I need a multi-tool for. One nice thing about it is I can flip out a screwdriver blade and the bend the tool so the handles are opposed to each other. Makes it easy to use the tool like an actual screwdriver that way.
 
I've carried a 2" or 3" switchblade for over 40 years. It is so convenient when I'm are holding-on to something with my left hand to reliably open my knife with my right hand. These new "1-hand-openers" might be just as good.
 
hso said:
Some sort of lock is a requirement on anything I actually carry.
That's a big +1 for me. I carried slip-joint folders for years. Years ago on old Case closed on my hand, requiring a trip to the ER. I figured it was a fluke. A few years later, my Victorinox SAK (purchased in Switzerland!) closed on my knuckle. Cut right to the bone. That was it for me. As much as I love SAK's, I will never again carry a non-locking folder for general use.
 
As much as I love SAK's, I will never again carry a non-locking folder for general use.

That's pretty much why I carry a "modern" locking folder and a SAK. I use the folder for cutting things, and the SAK for the gadgets. It's also nice to have a second non-threatening knife (I'll sometimes use the small blade on the V-nox Tinker) for things like trimming tape from a hockey stick in a crowded locker room or opening packages in public.
 
My preferred knife is a traditional slipjoint. I sometimes carry the Canoe in the center, but lately I have been using the big S&M Premium English Jack on the left as my EDC. The Case Stockman on the right gets occasional pocket time too.

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I'm fond of traditional trappers. My current carry is by Moore Maker of Matador TX. I also carry a Spyderco Endura or Native and a Leatherman (Juice at work, an old standard around the place.) I finally figured out that the most used features of my SAK were the sissors, the toothpick and the tweezers, so I leave the Hunter model in the drawer and now carry a Classic on my key chain.
 
SAKs

I am a great believer in Swiss Army Knives. One lives in my left front pocket. I have lost one or two over the years, and they were replaced with an identical model THAT DAY. If in jeans or cargo pants, that is supplemented with a Spyderco, but regardless of mode of dress, the SAK is ALWAYS there (unless I am going through the airport :cuss: ).
 
Great thread. Here is a picture of my D2 steel basic plain-jane "winterbottom" series Queens (pic 1) and then a few even more traditional (1095 carbon steel) slippies (pic 2). These pretty much fill my EDC rotation. The last pic (pic 3) is a few other good 'ol carbon steel slip-joints I don't carry much but they have sentimental value.
 

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While not a traditional slip or lockback , I find a lot of uses for the Kershaw Double Cross , had it for a few years and I always have it slipped in my mission wallet for those times at work when someone might get squirmish if I used the Strider AR , Strider PT or Rinaldi fixed blade. :D
 
when my grandpa died i got some of his knives. a case ltd edition pipefitters kinfe which is in really good condition and sharp for not being used for probally 30 years or so and one of his swiss army knives. id admit it was a bit bulky but i used it for a lot of things. i also had the card knife that has all the attachments in a credit card looking plastic case and that was really handy because it fit in my pocket really good and was really thin.
 
:)

I appreciate seeing these knives, thank you for sharing and relating stories.
Lots and lots of memories for me. Not just the knives I had - remembering knives that belonged to folks that Mentored me, and have passed.

I know someone has a tin of Case honing oil and Norton IB6 sharpening stone.
This for me was just as traditional as the knives.
 
Cool thread. :)
Hi my name is Alvin and I'm a knife knut... :/

Here's my only V-SAK...

http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/SAK1.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/SAK2.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/SAK3.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/SAK4.jpg
http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/SAK5.jpg

Anybody want it? :)

On rec.knives a guy in Europe wanted to know about changing out the handle material on one of those and I happened to have a pretty badly corroded up V-SAK so there you are. ;) Talk quickly went to, how hard are they to take apart and put back together. IMO easier than a Case. :)

Notice SAK3.jpg see where I've started the pin drilling "dimple" in the SAK's pin? The loose brass pin is the one from the other-end of that knife I already drilled out. Those two nickel silver pins are from a -used-up- Case stockman and see the two rings laying there? :) Those were -removed from the drill bit- after drilling the ends on the lower pin. You know, the pin has a peened wedge shape to it and I drilled right down through the center of the wedgy part. :) See how I missed it just a little on the middle pin? :)

The point is... I "steered" the drill down through the center of the pin.
You can do that too. It's not rocket science just knowing it can be done is half the trick.

Doggonit, you can steer a car between two trucks out on the freeway at 75mph you can steer a drill bit down the center of a pocket knife's pin... play it fast and loose like you know how and like you mean business and it's easy. No kidding. :)

I repair pocket knives for a hobby, any other pocket knife repair knuts on here? :)

Alvin in AZ
 
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