Incident at Oglala: The Leonard Peltier Story

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"So all y'all are saying he shot at them and missed?"

Ever heard of self-defense?
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There's a pure and simple silly question.

I asked if he missed. Yes, no, maybe?

John
 
Leonard Pelter murdered two Federal agents in cold blood. When caught instead of "standing up" for his principals and what he though as right (as screwed up and ass back wards as they were) he like most criminals turned into a lying coward pointing the finger at someone else.

Pelter is guilty,and all the bozo's running around the Internet with tinfoil feathers in their hair selling books/ conspiracy theories/half-truths and lies isn't going to change the facts.

Nightwatch,what you should do with that book, is ask for your money back.



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Special Agents.

Jack R. Coler

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Ronald A. Williams


RIP Hero's
 
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yeah, its pretty heroic to terrorize those who have different ethnic backgrounds or political beliefs than you.
 
Holy Flying Rebuttals, Batman!

"Like a chihuahua tearing into a pack of hot dogs, richyoung tears into the assertion of '60 killed by death squads' made by (persons not named to spare them embarassment)."

richyoung:
Don't expect mere fact to be persuasive in the face of tinfoil hattery and lefty multi-cultist dogma.
 
Hero's? Puh-lease...

...NOT in association with contact gunshot wounds on two already-injured law enforcement officers, no....

Of course, was Peltier a member of the US military and the so-called (I prefer jack-booted thugs, in this case) "law enforcement officers" a cowering Arab in a mosque, this would be fine, right? I mean, that's our mantra around here...

Special Agents.

Jack R. Coler

&

Ronald A. Williams


RIP Hero's

Ahem, "hardly". :banghead:

Everybody is getting all riled up about the SCOTUS decision allowing Wal-Mart to grab personal property but ongoing -- and perpetual -- use of Manifest Desiny seems to slip by the masses.

Peltier erred in not saying, "I shot them, and here's why", at his trial: which was a travesty and sham to begin with. If those agents, in support of a government agency directly charged with undermining the safety, sovereignty, peace, and welfare of American Indians, came armed to my area of allotted residence, with the ongoing intent shown, I'd shoot them myself. :fire:

I openly and respectfully appreciate other perspectives!
 
"Like a chihuahua tearing into a pack of hot dogs, richyoung tears into the assertion of '60 killed by death squads' made by (persons not named to spare them embarassment)."

Yeah, I freely admit the "death squad" thing is propoganda: but our government surely did their share of evil...
 
Of course, was Peltier a member of the US military and the so-called (I prefer jack-booted thugs, in this case) "law enforcement officers" a cowering Arab in a mosque, this would be fine, right? I mean, that's our mantra around here...

Apples and oranges - Cole and Williams were sworn Federal agents, not non-governmental terorists with a known history of booby-trapping their dead and suicide bombing their injured. Pop quiz: how many wounded FBI agents have ever detonated?

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Special Agents.

Jack R. Coler

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Ronald A. Williams


RIP Hero's



Ahem, "hardly".

Everybody is getting all riled up about the SCOTUS decision allowing Wal-Mart to grab personal property but ongoing -- and perpetual -- use of Manifest Desiny seems to slip by the masses.

No, it doesn't "slip by" the masses - the masses are smart enough to realize that however bad we treated the indiginous people here, (which is what ALWAYS happens - read your history....), there are still Indians and Eskimos today...their fate at the hands of a Third Reich or Imperial Japanese occupation, had there not been fully "Manifest Destinied" U.S. to oppose them, would have been extinction, as was planned for the Jews, gays, Gypsies, Armenians, Slavs.... Nor do the "masses" miss the conection with AIM actions and statements to other leftist wackiness off the times, such as the Weathermen, SDS, Symbionese Liberation Army, Black Panthers, etc. You criticise government squashing of the AIM movement - ask anyone in Peru how much fun it is with "Sendero Luminoso" running around, and if the government should have suppressed it early on.



Peltier erred in not saying, "I shot them, and here's why", at his trial: which was a travesty and sham to begin with. If those agents, in support of a government agency directly charged with undermining the safety, sovereignty, peace, and welfare of American Indians,

...the agents were attempting to serve an arrest warrent on a Native American named Jimmy Eagle. They were trying to do their jobs - like that list above, complaining "no investigation" - well, they were investigating - they had a vehicle and a suspect that seemed to match Eagle's description. The agents came in seperate government cars, with their rifles and shotguns secured in the trunks. Only their service revolvers were available for immediate use, despite KNOWING that a hostile AIM encampment was nearby. (BTW, even Indians were opposed to AIM and their tactics - the "GOON" squads refered to are the "Guardians Of the Ogola Nation", a Native American group OPPOSED to AIM). When they attemped to follow the suspect vehicle onto the Jumping Bull property, Agent Williams radioed that they were being shot at by the occupants of the suspect vehicle, and ffrom other positions as well.Subsequent crime scene investigation and autopsy results determined that the agents only returned limited fire and were injured as follows:
Agent Coler may have fired from his service revolver, but his bullet pouch (a small leather carrier worn on the belt) still contained its six original rounds, one shot from a 12-gauge shotgun and one shot from a .308 rifle. He received an initial wound nearly severing his right arm, a wound to the top of his head, and a second to his jaw, both delivered at contact range with a high-powered rifle.
Agent Williams while calling for help on his radio, may have fired briefly from his service revolver and was wounded initially in his left arm, left side, and foot. A fatal shot fired at contact range went through his right hand and into his face.
Their vehicles received a total of 125 bullet holes, not counting those that either missed or went through the shattered windows and were not recovered.

came armed to my area of allotted residence, with the ongoing intent shown, I'd shoot them myself.

I openly and respectfully appreciate other perspectives!

I respectfully submit that you have only been exposed to one side of the story, and that Williams and Cole died in the performance of their sworn duty, regardless of whatever tension existed between AIM and the FBI, or AIM and other Indians. Look at the so-called "list" of victims verses the actual dispositon of the cases - decide which side has credibility. This wasn't a Ruby Ridge or Waco - this was the cold-blooded execution of wounded men by psychopathic scum trying to use the legitimate issues of the Native Americans as justification for their own wanton blood-lust.
 
Of course, was Peltier a member of the US military and the so-called (I prefer jack-booted thugs, in this case) "law enforcement officers" a cowering Arab in a mosque, this would be fine, right?
:mad: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

Must... prevent... fingers from... getting me banned...
 
Must... prevent... fingers from... getting me banned...

Send me a PM, I won't take offense. I just find our nation's stance -- on a great many things -- to be both self-righteous and hypocritical. Um, "ineffective" would seem to be a natural, too.

I respectfully submit that you have only been exposed to one side of the story, and that Williams and Cole died in the performance of their sworn duty, regardless of whatever tension existed between AIM and the FBI, or AIM and other Indians.

And if their sworn duty was tyrannical?

That is my "feel" for the issue, but you make some excellent points regarding the incident. "Thanks for your input."
 
"And if their sworn duty was tyrannical?"

Don't like the arrest warrant? Take it up with the judge who signed it, don't bushwhack and execute the messengers.

It still looks like coldblooded murder to me. It wasn't enough to shoot them multiple times and prevent them from serving the warrant, no, they had to walk up and finish them off. Nothing but a bunch of worthless bloodthirsty cowards acting just like your typical mob.

John
 
well, i don't guess from the discussion there are alot of indians taking part. You have to remember, of the hundreds of treaties signed by the american government with the indians, not one was honored. Given that sort of track record, if agents of that government were coming to arrest one of your own, would you have large amounts of confidence in "settling it in court"?
 
well, i don't guess from the discussion there are alot of indians taking part. You have to remember, of the hundreds of treaties signed by the american government with the indians, not one was honored. Given that sort of track record, if agents of that government were coming to arrest one of your own, would you have large amounts of confidence in "settling it in court"?

There's at least one Indian here -- me -- asking exactly those sorts of questions...
 
Perception is required, no?

worthless bloodthirsty cowards acting just like your typical mob

Unfortunately, this is exactly my perception of the FBI -- and their actions regarding American Indians -- during the mid 1970s. :fire:

I can certainly respect a judgment indicating that the actions of Peltier and his ilk were morally "not good". But to indicate that they were not warranted based upon the situation at hand seems hypocritical: that's our justification for razing Baghdad, right? That "military action" is warranted in times of significant human rights violations? Or, before requisite harm is caused by the use of arms [WMD's] to violate our way of life?

Bah!
 
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