Inexpensive long range rifle???
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Freightman
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If you want a good cheap 7.62x54R that is well made and shoots great get a Fin M39 Mosin Nagant. Less than $200
If you can find a Swedish M96 Mauser in 6.5x55 they are very accurate and probley $300 or so.
If you can find a Swedish M96 Mauser in 6.5x55 they are very accurate and probley $300 or so.
Zorro
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Savage M-110 derivative. Any Caliber.
Art Eatman
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Well, Savage or Tikka, for lower-cost quality in a new rifle.
Lots of good stuff at gunshows. You might find a good used Remington 700 for about the same price as the Savage or Tikka...It's also a good place to look for a Leupold scope, for a lesser cost than most stores.
You might go to a Barnes/Noble and pick up a copy of Shotgun News. You can go through the ads and get a feel for what's available and at what cost.
I'd suggest the .308, since you can find a variety of inexpensive ammunition with which to practice.
You say new to "high-power" rifles. Does this mean you've shot a good bit with a .22? And, maybe already have one?
Art
Lots of good stuff at gunshows. You might find a good used Remington 700 for about the same price as the Savage or Tikka...It's also a good place to look for a Leupold scope, for a lesser cost than most stores.
You might go to a Barnes/Noble and pick up a copy of Shotgun News. You can go through the ads and get a feel for what's available and at what cost.
I'd suggest the .308, since you can find a variety of inexpensive ammunition with which to practice.
You say new to "high-power" rifles. Does this mean you've shot a good bit with a .22? And, maybe already have one?
Art
I grew up plinking with .22's and picked up my SAR 1 a few years ago.
I'm looking for a different kind of creature.
I was browsing the web thinking how cool it would be to have a sniper rifle shoot targets twice the distance of what an AK could ever hit.
But I don't have a few thousand to spend on a play thing.
Thinking high power hunting rifle or something.
I'm looking for a different kind of creature.
I was browsing the web thinking how cool it would be to have a sniper rifle shoot targets twice the distance of what an AK could ever hit.
But I don't have a few thousand to spend on a play thing.
Thinking high power hunting rifle or something.
El Rojo
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Do a search on Long Range Rifle and here is what you get. Then go to www.thefiringline.com and do a search on Long Range Rifle and see what else you can turn up. Have fun.
PS I have a Remington 700 VS in .308 that I use to shoot up to 1000 yards with.
PS I have a Remington 700 VS in .308 that I use to shoot up to 1000 yards with.
twoblink
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Have you considered something like and Israeli Mauser in 308?
Cheap to shoot, accurate, and the Mauser action, I don't have to say much about that!
I got mine with a new GI Barrel, for $215 out the door. (I named it Oleg) sweet shooter, Runt's about 1.5MOA with it...
Cheap to shoot, accurate, and the Mauser action, I don't have to say much about that!
I got mine with a new GI Barrel, for $215 out the door. (I named it Oleg) sweet shooter, Runt's about 1.5MOA with it...
sixgun_symphony
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One option is to get your Curioand Relic license. With that FFL license, you can order C&R rifles and get them sent to your door, avoiding the transfer fees at your local dealer. Right now there is a wealth of rifles out there with the conditions that you set. You can get some of the finest rifles EVER made, Finnish M39 Mosin-Nagants in 7.62x54 ($140-$200), Russian Mosin -Nagant ($80-$100), Swedish Mausers in 6.5x55 ($200), Persian Mausers in 8mm ($200), and others. Spanish FR-8's in .308 ($175), German K98 mausers in 8mm ($175-$300), etc. If modern rifles are your thing and you want an inexpensive rifle, get a Savage hunting rifle ($300-$350). It will perform almost as well as those Swedish and Finn rifles. Ammo for the C&R's will range from very cheap to moderately expensive ($0.06-$0.40 per round).
Go here for the C&R license: http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48235
Go here for the C&R license: http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48235
Kahr carrier
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How about the Mosin Nagants they are 7.62x54 and Run from $49.00-$179.00 at the Local Big 5 store.
Ikari
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If you don't mind a single shot break-action, check out the NEF Handi-Rifle. Can get them for ~$100-$150, and can get additional barrels fitted for ~$70 each to shoot practically any cartridge you want, from .223 thru .450 Marlin.
Edited to add link: www.hr1871.com
Edited to add link: www.hr1871.com
Art Eatman
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to back up a bit: "Long range" is in part a function of cartridge. While folks are competing at 600 yards and more with the .223, the problems with wind-drift make larger-diameter bullets a bit more useful.
For someone who mostly wants to practice and shoot informally at either paper or tin cans, many of the older surplus bolt-action military rifles are quite good. Minor modifications such as butt pads and drill/tap for scope mounts allow very good performance. Here, the .308s are the least costly
in the shooting.
Other long-range options include the Springfield or Model 1917 Enfield in .30'-06. These are expecially good if you take up reloading. My first-ever centerfire was an old Enfield, back 52 years ago. I learned all about reloading with an old Lyman 310 Tong Tool.
And of course, the Garand is lots of fun...
, Art
For someone who mostly wants to practice and shoot informally at either paper or tin cans, many of the older surplus bolt-action military rifles are quite good. Minor modifications such as butt pads and drill/tap for scope mounts allow very good performance. Here, the .308s are the least costly
in the shooting.
Other long-range options include the Springfield or Model 1917 Enfield in .30'-06. These are expecially good if you take up reloading. My first-ever centerfire was an old Enfield, back 52 years ago. I learned all about reloading with an old Lyman 310 Tong Tool.
And of course, the Garand is lots of fun...
, ArtMosin Nagants
Went to the store today and fondled a few mosin nagants. I like the prices $70 - $200.
Not sure what the differences were some were Czech and a few were Russian.
M44 and 1938 I think is what was on some of the tags.
Oh yea they all had bayonettes's (not that this matters but kind of cool)
I think all were 7.62 x 54
What kind of range do these have and are there scopes that can be mounted?
Thanks for the help?
Went to the store today and fondled a few mosin nagants. I like the prices $70 - $200.
Not sure what the differences were some were Czech and a few were Russian.
M44 and 1938 I think is what was on some of the tags.
Oh yea they all had bayonettes's (not that this matters but kind of cool)
I think all were 7.62 x 54
What kind of range do these have and are there scopes that can be mounted?
Thanks for the help?
Zorro
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mosin nagants
Of the Mosin Nagants.
The more expensive ones are the FINNISH versions.
Whats the differance?
Russian Mosins are a great buy for the money, the Finnish version is something special.
Finnish Mosin Nagants, and Swedish M-96 Mausers are in a class of their own for Surplus Rifle accuracy. That is why they cost a lot more. Sub 1 inch group guns.
Of the Mosin Nagants.
The more expensive ones are the FINNISH versions.
Whats the differance?
Russian Mosins are a great buy for the money, the Finnish version is something special.
Finnish Mosin Nagants, and Swedish M-96 Mausers are in a class of their own for Surplus Rifle accuracy. That is why they cost a lot more. Sub 1 inch group guns.
If you are looking towards a Mosin, go to this forum to read up on them: http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=348
Ask about the effective range of the 7.62x54. I'm sure that it will shoot out to 1000 yards, because that is how far out some Finnish snipers went in WW-II. For military surplus bolt actions, I used to be more into Mausers. I was prejudiced against Mosins, thinking that they were cheap, dingy rifles. But I got my first one, a Finn M39 Mosin in like-new shape for $175, and I am now in love with the Mosins too. They are fine guns. They are very inexpensive right now too. You could buy 3 to 5 Mosins for what it would cost to buy a Remington or Savage bolt action. If you buy a Mosin, get one that is in excellent or like-new condition. There are plenty of these great-condition mosins out there. These have all been arsenal refinished in the USSR or Finnland or some other communist satellite country (like Hungary). The Soviet M1938's are generally known to be of lesser quality than the M44, 91/30 and 91/59. The 1938's have pretty poor bores. You can buy a like-new M44, 91/30 or 91/59 with an excellent bore for $110. The 91/59's are said to have very good accuracy. The others will have anywhere from 3 to 1 MOA capabilities.
Finn Mosins are very special rifles, as mentioned above. The Finns caputured hundred of thousands of 91/30's from the USSR in the 1917 war of independence, and rebuilt almost all of them to meet tight Finn specs. They would not accept a rifle if it would not shoot below 1.5 MOA. The Finn M39 Mosin is the best Mosin rifle, period. They can be had for $140 to $210 from Wholesale Guns n Ammo. Buy one before they are all gone. Only about 110,000 of these were made, I believe. I have a 1970 M39 "sneak" that I got for $175 from a fellow board member here. It is a very fine rifle and one of my favorites. Check out info on these interesting Sneaks here.
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102518
Good luck and if you buy a Mosin, you won't regret it. The ammo is cheap and plentiful too.
Ask about the effective range of the 7.62x54. I'm sure that it will shoot out to 1000 yards, because that is how far out some Finnish snipers went in WW-II. For military surplus bolt actions, I used to be more into Mausers. I was prejudiced against Mosins, thinking that they were cheap, dingy rifles. But I got my first one, a Finn M39 Mosin in like-new shape for $175, and I am now in love with the Mosins too. They are fine guns. They are very inexpensive right now too. You could buy 3 to 5 Mosins for what it would cost to buy a Remington or Savage bolt action. If you buy a Mosin, get one that is in excellent or like-new condition. There are plenty of these great-condition mosins out there. These have all been arsenal refinished in the USSR or Finnland or some other communist satellite country (like Hungary). The Soviet M1938's are generally known to be of lesser quality than the M44, 91/30 and 91/59. The 1938's have pretty poor bores. You can buy a like-new M44, 91/30 or 91/59 with an excellent bore for $110. The 91/59's are said to have very good accuracy. The others will have anywhere from 3 to 1 MOA capabilities.
Finn Mosins are very special rifles, as mentioned above. The Finns caputured hundred of thousands of 91/30's from the USSR in the 1917 war of independence, and rebuilt almost all of them to meet tight Finn specs. They would not accept a rifle if it would not shoot below 1.5 MOA. The Finn M39 Mosin is the best Mosin rifle, period. They can be had for $140 to $210 from Wholesale Guns n Ammo. Buy one before they are all gone. Only about 110,000 of these were made, I believe. I have a 1970 M39 "sneak" that I got for $175 from a fellow board member here. It is a very fine rifle and one of my favorites. Check out info on these interesting Sneaks here.
http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102518
Good luck and if you buy a Mosin, you won't regret it. The ammo is cheap and plentiful too.
Mosin Nagant
If I'm understanding this correctly:
1. Finish...............Best
2. Russian 91/59..2nd best
3. Russian 91/30...next
4. Russian M44.....and so on....
...of the Mosin's
If I'm right about this How much better is the 91/59 from the 91/30? Simply because I don't care for blonde wood....Of course this is secondary to a better rifle.....Not having much luck finding Finish.
Thanks for all the help. I'm learning tons already.
If I'm understanding this correctly:
1. Finish...............Best
2. Russian 91/59..2nd best
3. Russian 91/30...next
4. Russian M44.....and so on....
...of the Mosin's
If I'm right about this How much better is the 91/59 from the 91/30? Simply because I don't care for blonde wood....Of course this is secondary to a better rifle.....Not having much luck finding Finish.
Thanks for all the help. I'm learning tons already.
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benEzra
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I've got a Finn M39 that will hold into 1 3/8" at 100 yards with Wolf 148-gr FMJ, iron sights, and no sling, off a bag, with ME shooting!
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El Tejon
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Re: centerfire rifles for hunting, Indiana
Jedi, you may wish to check with DNR concerning high-power rifles and predation permits. DNR keeps a list of farmers/ranchers who have predation licenses. Check regs with them.
I've taken several soybean/alfalfa/corn fed whitetails with the lovely 6.5 Swede. You have to pay your own way, but nice to use a rifle over a shotgun.
Don't know any fellow Hoosiers with centerfire rifles? Are you calling from East Chicago?
Jedi, you may wish to check with DNR concerning high-power rifles and predation permits. DNR keeps a list of farmers/ranchers who have predation licenses. Check regs with them.
I've taken several soybean/alfalfa/corn fed whitetails with the lovely 6.5 Swede. You have to pay your own way, but nice to use a rifle over a shotgun.
Don't know any fellow Hoosiers with centerfire rifles? Are you calling from East Chicago?
jYm
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i have a Polish Mosin stamped 1953 and nobody even mentioned Polish MN's man i feel left out...lol
DMK
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The 91/59 is a carbine and the 91/30 is a longer barreled rifle. As a matter of fact, the 91/59s are cut down 91/30s that were converted to carbines while getting arsenal refurbished.
Which is better boils down to the ancient Rifle Vs Carbine question. IMO, Assuming the same "unissued" condition, the 91/30 should be more accurate with open sights due to the longer sight radius. If you scope it, I'd lean towards the 91/59 due to the stiffer, shorter barrel, however, it will be louder and have more muzzle blast.
Personally, I like the carbine much better than the rifle. I love my Finnish M/39s, they are beautiful, a pure joy to shoot and very accurate but the 91/59 is pretty close in accuracy, lighter and very handy. I like it so much, I just ordered a second one from AIM surplus!
Just get one of each!
www.aimsurplus.com has unissued, still in wrap, 91/59s and excellent cond. 91/30s
www.gunsnammo.com has some really nice M/39s and "Like new" 91/30s
Here's three websites with some great Mosin info:
http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/
http://www.mosin-nagant.net/
http://www.surplusrifle.com/
Not sure what you are calling a predation permit unless you are refering to a regular hunting license???
To the best of my knowledge the only things you can hunt with in Indiana are Bow, shotgun, and muzzle loader and I think some pistol might be allowed.
Calling from Mooresville Indiana pretty much middle of the state.
I have a copy of regs from last year somewhere I'll look into it further but as long as I can remember this is all we get in IN. and only about 2 weeks of shotgun at that. kinda sucks.
Only license I have is my CCW permit, how would I go about ordering a rifle off the net they all seem to want an FFL license or something?
Again, Thanks for all the help, The High Road is truely a nice place to hang.
To the best of my knowledge the only things you can hunt with in Indiana are Bow, shotgun, and muzzle loader and I think some pistol might be allowed.
Calling from Mooresville Indiana pretty much middle of the state.
I have a copy of regs from last year somewhere I'll look into it further but as long as I can remember this is all we get in IN. and only about 2 weeks of shotgun at that. kinda sucks.
Only license I have is my CCW permit, how would I go about ordering a rifle off the net they all seem to want an FFL license or something?
Again, Thanks for all the help, The High Road is truely a nice place to hang.
El Tejon
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Mooresville, the home of the state flag! Call Bradis in Camby to order your rifle. I do not know what they will charge you. I think he still carries a bunch of surplus stuff out on the sales floor.
You may take deer with a pistol. Check DNR for the regs.
Predation permit is not a regular hunting license. They are (or were) sold to landowners who suffered damage to crops (soybeans, corn, alfalfa, even Christmas trees). Centerfire rifle is permitted and the landowners will often have the permit but not have the shooters. Check with DNR's biologist in Indy and see if they have a list of landowners.
I do not know why firearms season is so short when archery season goes on forever. If DNR does wish to increase the kill, why not simply extend the season???
You may take deer with a pistol. Check DNR for the regs.
Predation permit is not a regular hunting license. They are (or were) sold to landowners who suffered damage to crops (soybeans, corn, alfalfa, even Christmas trees). Centerfire rifle is permitted and the landowners will often have the permit but not have the shooters. Check with DNR's biologist in Indy and see if they have a list of landowners.
I do not know why firearms season is so short when archery season goes on forever. If DNR does wish to increase the kill, why not simply extend the season???
Went to Bradis a few days ago. They had several M44's and some 1938's Czech and Russian and a few 8mm not sure what they were? Old surplus is all I know. They didn't have any of the Finish and I don't believe they had any 59's.
They were really busy so I didn't get to pick anyone's brain at the time.
I think I'm settling on the 59 when I get my tax return. I want to put a scope on it eventually and someone suggested this would be the best for that.
Couldn't agree more about Indiana's Hunting reg's because of the firearms limitted season I've never taken a Deer. It always falls between Thanksgiving and Xmas and I never seem to have opportunity.
I got a used bow last summer and am hoping to go deer hunting this year. It's been a goal of mine for about 15 yrs. :banghead:
Thanks for the tip on the predtion permits there is a Xmas tree "farm" close to my house hopefully they will be on the list I've seen deer around there before. I'll croos my fingers........
They were really busy so I didn't get to pick anyone's brain at the time.
I think I'm settling on the 59 when I get my tax return. I want to put a scope on it eventually and someone suggested this would be the best for that.
Couldn't agree more about Indiana's Hunting reg's because of the firearms limitted season I've never taken a Deer. It always falls between Thanksgiving and Xmas and I never seem to have opportunity.
I got a used bow last summer and am hoping to go deer hunting this year. It's been a goal of mine for about 15 yrs. :banghead:
Thanks for the tip on the predtion permits there is a Xmas tree "farm" close to my house hopefully they will be on the list I've seen deer around there before. I'll croos my fingers........
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