Instant Background Checks

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Instant background checks. From time to time (okay, more than that) here I see people expressing some form of disgust with having to go through an instant background check to buy a firearm. Now, I'm just pondering the issue and I'd like to know... what's wrong with submitting to a check that shows you don't have a history of violence or such? What issues do you have with instant background checks? Is it part of a hard, no compromise stand on infringing on the basic right of self-defense, of the 2nd Amendment? Or is there some sinister aspect of instant background checks I'm not aware of? A backdoor to gun registry?

I'm just curious to hear some THR opinions on the issue. All comments welcome. :)
 
The so-called "background checks" are registration. If the federal government were concerned only about my so-called "background," it wouldn't care one way or a dozen others about the make, model, and serial number of the firearm.

I'll believe the so-called "background checks" are unimportant when I see leftists willingly line up for so-called "background checks" before buying books and newspapers that include publisher, title, author, and I.S.B.N. number.
 
The way I understand it is that the dealer has to keep that yellow form (4473) that you fill out before they call in to NICS for 20 years. The ATF, FBI, etc. can come into the dealers shop and see them on demand. If a dealer goes out of business, they have to surrender the forms to the ATF, and you know darn well that if the ATF gets ahold of them that they are kept forever.

Backdoor registration? Yup.

Edited to add:
Actually it's not even backdoor registration, more like front door registration. We are walking right in the front door and filling out paperwork and then walking right back out the front door knowing the whole time that the papers will be filed away. Sorry for the rant.
 
Background check ....... backdoor registration of course ...... what else.

Otherwise ... just NIC on D/L as an I/D ... all that's needed ... hate it . cringe every time .... not to mention then the addition of the''white one'' for handgun.:(
 
what's wrong with Instant background Checks??????

http://www.gunowners.org/fs0202.htm

http://www.gunowners.org/fs9301.htm


for starters.........

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http://www.gunowners.org/fs0101.htm

C. Background checks invite official abuse

* A review of FBI computer records reveals that the firearms industry was shut down for more than eight full business days during the first six months that the National Instant Background Check (NICS) was online. Many of these shutdowns have resulted in the virtual blackout of gun sales at gun shows across the country.

* According to gun laws expert Alan Korwin, "With the NICS computer out of commission, the only place you could legally buy a firearm -- in the whole country -- was from a private individual, since all dealers were locked out of business by the FBI's computer problem."49

D. Background checks can (and do) lead to gun registration

* Justice Department report (1989). "Any system that requires a criminal history record check prior to purchase of a firearm creates the potential for the automated tracking of individuals who seek to purchase firearms."50

* Justice Department initiates registration (1994). The Justice Department gave a grant to the city of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University to create a sophisticated national gun registry using data compiled from states' background check programs. This attempt at registration was subsequently defeated in the courts.51

* More gun owner registration (1996). A new computer software distributed by the Justice Department allows police officials to easily (and unlawfully) register the names and addresses of gun buyers. This software -- known as FIST -- also keeps information such as the type of gun purchased, the make, model and caliber, the date of purchase, etc.52 The instant background check could be a key component in registering this information in the computer software.53

* Federal Bureau of Investigation registers gun owners (1998). Despite prohibitions in federal law, the FBI announced that it would begin keeping gun buyer's names for six months. FBI had originally wanted to keep the names for 18 months, but reduced the time period after groups like Gun Owners of America strongly challenged the legality of their actions. GOA submitted a formal protest to the FBI, calling their attempt at registration both "unlawful" and "unconstitutional."54

* California. State officials have used the state background check -- required during the waiting period -- to compile an illegal registry of handgun owners. These lists have been compiled without any statutory authority to do so.55

* Nationwide. Highly acclaimed civil rights attorney, researcher and author, David Kopel, has noted several states where either registration lists have been illegally compiled from background checks or where such registration lists have been abused by officials.56
 
As you know there have been people turned down for loans based on credit checks. Someone gets your records mixed up with someone else and there goes your credit untill you are able to get it corrected, if you ever do. Just think how it might be with a backgroung check to purchase a gun, and you were told you were not cleared, though you knew there was no reason to disqualify you. I can just emagine what a nightmare that would be. I don't need that.:banghead:
 
What do you consider a "history of violence"? I think the whole system of guns laws we have now are just a huge steaming pile of bull$h1te.

If you buy into the background check system, (waste of money, invasion of privacy, a form of registration) then you buy into the naive notion that it prevents someone "with a history of violence" (whatever that means) from getting a weapon.
 
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