Insurance purposes of firearm value?

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Going through my purchases for insurance reasons, I discovered that one of the purchases I don't have any paperwork for. The VISA slip is long gone being that this happened about 28 years ago. In instances like this, what would you suggest be done so that I can accurately have a dollar value for this firearm?
 
Many gun shops will give you a written appraisal for insurance purposes for free or a nominal fee. I'd call local shops and take the firearm to one or more for appraisal. I'd actually do that with all of your older guns as firearms typically appreciate. You also may have guns that are grandfathered in under California's ever growing firearm restrictions, making them even more valuable there.
 
Some policies don't really care about value, for instance you can (with certain polices) insure a 10-22 for 15k as long your paying premiums for 15k.

They may also accept a value from the blue book of gun values, I'd just ask my insurer.
 
Do a firearms auction web search and find out what similar guns are currently selling for.

Then add enough to cover replacement value and use that.

Look on:
Gunbroker.
Auctions Arms.
Etc.

Rc
 
Be careful with insurance. A lot of policies which a person would believe to cover firearms will not, prime example being homeowners and renters insurance. They may cover firearms up to a certain dollar amount, or they may cover to a certain number of weapons. In such instances it is advisable to purchase a policy specific to your collection ensuring insurance insures your insurables.
 
Its really your choice, you can insure for what you paid for it or you can insure for the "replacement" cost. The premiums are based on the total coverage you seek.

I'm talking about firearms specific insurance. Home-owners policies have all kinds of loopholes built in to avoid paying for high value personal items not specifically called out in the policy.
 
Get a value for the gun by any of the means mentioned above. Then, as someone mentioned, be sure to specifically schedule your high-value firearms. Most homeowner policies have a sublimit for THEFT ONLY of $2500 (if they burn up, you're fine). Finally, try to make sure the firearm policy is 'agreed value' otherwise any loss settlement will only be for the depreciated value.
 
Insurance policies differ, but unless you "schedule" the item (and pay an additional premium for such scheduled property), guns fall under the umbrella of "unscheduled" property and coverage has a maximum. That amount is listed on your policy. Unscheduled items usually don't required an individual item appraisal because the insurance company pays you a set amount based on the type of item. I don't remember what guns is for us but computers are limited to $5,000; I think guns has a $5,000 unscheduled maximum too.

Wife and I are both NRA members, and upon joining we activated each of our $5,000 insurance policies for guns. That alone makes the membership fee a bargain.

The thing is, all insurance is different, none of it is perfect, there are usually exclusions you're not aware of and it pays to read your policy closely, completely and get written clarifications.
 
Wow...thanks for the tips. :) Will discuss this with the insurance writer. In a past discussion he wasn't very helpful when I had discussed about coverage for the photography gear and replacement. I have a feeling the firearms side will not be to my liking and I'll be looking for coverage from a different carrier.
 
RA40, another thing is just remembered is to ask about an Inland Marine policy which typically covers things like firearms, photo gear, and other high value items if stolen from vehicles. It provides much higher coverage than a standard auto policy. Nationwide is particularly good about this if you can find a local agent who knows the few simple procedures to do it.

Will discuss this with the insurance writer. In a past discussion he wasn't very helpful when I had discussed about coverage for the photography gear and replacement. I have a feeling the firearms side will not be to my liking and I'll be looking for coverage from a different carrier.
That's always a very good idea. Even within the same company call several local agents/agencies and you'll probably find one that knows what they're doing; and who will get you the proper coverage.
 
If you insure your guns, make sure of any limits and company practices regarding guns. And do NOT take an agent's word for a company practice. Insurance companies often have practices that are spelled out in company manuals, but are [deliberately] not put into their policies or sales information.

Do note that you might find the premiums on even a moderate collection to be too high. If that is the case, you have the choice of selling all or part of your collection or foregoing insurance on them. (Separate insurance, as through the NRA, can also be quite high.)

Jim
 
I'm actually in the process in doing this very same thing (along with some of the wife's jewelry). I provided the agent with a detailed list of the items I wanted insured and I provided estimated "replacement cost" for each.
 
I checked on Ins for my collection. The cost was out of sight. They quoted a figure that would break the bank in short order. If I remember correctly it was $100.00 per $1,000.00 of value per year. Wouldn't take much of a collection to cost $5000.00 or $6,000.00 per year. Next you had to provide S/N's of each firearm. I didn't like that idea as you never know whom might see that list, buglars or government.
 
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Ahhh...

I'd be bit careful about that post #3. File a 15K claim on a 10/22 and you may find yourself having a discussion about insurance fraud regardless of premiums paid.
 
Insurance Companies are a benign way of leaving a paper trail and record of all your guns and belongings. Some years ago a number of home break-ins occurred in where the bad guys were using stolen policy data from a particular Insurance carrier. Turned out to be a janitorial service employee cleaning the companies garbage cans, then reselling the information. Cyber security is just as sloppy. Put the cost of the premium into a safe and security system and forget going thru an Insurer.
 
"...cover replacement value..." Yep. Otherwise, you'll get whatever the insurance company thinks it's worth. And they think everything depreciates over time.
The Blue Book reflect averages of prices from all over the U.S. with no consideration for local supply and demand. Really doesn't mean much.
"...cost was out of sight..." You need to talk to another carrier/agent.
 
Well for sure there is no need to find that purchase receipt from 28 years ago, other than sentimental reasons.........or maybe so see the increase in your investment.

My firearm insurance does not require me to list my guns.
 
My firearm insurance does not require me to list my guns.
Not NOW they don't -- but when you house burns and you make a claim, it may be a different story. It's a good idea to have a list of firearms and other valuables in your safe deposit box.
 
What has been said about homeowners insurance is very true...typically $2000-$5000 in coverage for your entire collection. I purchased a personal articles floater specifically for my firearms and pay about $300 on a $30,000 collection.
 
I'm a claims adjuster, some good info in this thread and some myths.

First, as general knowledge; homeowner's policies are heavily regulated and 90% the same, nationwide no matter the company.

Contents have a lot of sub-limits, most of them are only for theft and apply to higher value things like firearms, jewelry, art, imported rugs etc. If you think about it, it makes sense, I can call up and say anything I want to got stolen, prove it didn't! Now, we will require you file a police report if you are claiming theft, but many people are willing to file a false report. We will also require proof of ownership, but will take anything, photos, receipts, call up the place of purchase, whatever. You don't have to establish the value, we will price it based on current value for a like quality item.

The firearm sub-limit is typically $2500 so the scheduled floater is to increase that sub-limit for theft. If you house burns down, we will pay the full amount of the firearms up to your policy limits.

The sub-limit for "electronic data processing equipment" (computers, smart phones, games systems and their software) is typically $5k total no matter the cause of loss.

Over a certain loss amount (varies by company, typically $2500 or $5k, maybe up to $10k), all policies will pay actual cash value (the depreciated amount) up front whether you have replacement coverage or not. On the items you actually repair or replace (with replacement cost coverage), send the replacement receipt and we send the rest of the money. For your old junk, it is your lucky day, keep the ACV payment and do whatever you want with it.

This is "indemnity" (making you whole), it was used stuff that was damaged not brand new stuff so you are getting the used value for the items. That is fair as you got years of use out of them already. Again, almost everyone has replacement cost coverage so you can replace everything and not be out of pocket if you want to.

This also applies to the home structure, ACV up front. I have had some people just pocket the cash, not rebuild the home and sell the lot (obviously paid off, no mortgage).

The sub-limit for cash/precious metals etc. is typically only $200 (for any cause of loss), so keeping a lot of cash on hand is at your own risk.

You could keep photos of your firearms collection, receipts and/or appraisals for high dollar items in a safe deposit box or fire safe. You could also take a couple photos of each room in the home, this will establish generally what you own.

I can't speak for all adjusters, but I only handle large losses (typically $100k+), I hardly ever ask for ownership proof, usually I can inspect the home and get a really good feel for what is there, even with a burn to the ground talking with customers I can get a feel for what they had. If it is reasonable I just price it out and pay for it. I need to see something for high dollar and out of the ordinary stuff, but customers usually have no trouble supporting they owned those items in some way.

Filing a property claim where your home/contents are damaged and can be inspected should be pretty straight-forward with little drama. Theft is where we see most of the fraud, so if you have a theft claim, file the police report and be prepared to give the adjuster some ownership support. Not for everything, but the bigger items. They want to believe you because not believing you is way more work for us, investigations, delays, mad customers etc. We want to get a reasonable claim, a reasonable list, and just pay it...
 
I checked on Ins for my collection. The cost was out of sight. They quoted a figure that would break the bank in short order. If I remember correctly it was $100.00 per $1,000.00 of value per year. Wouldn't take much of a collection to cost $5000.00 or $6,000.00 per year.
What I had through Collectables Inc ran about $10 per $1000 coverage annually. Also, let's not forget we can get a few thousand free coverage by being an NRA member and sending in the forms.
 
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