Interested in legal full autos

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Can some one direct me to some info regarding automatic rifles, particularly in Texas? I was at the range when a gentleman a few stalls down caught me checking out his hardware. His rifle. He asked me if my uncle and I would like to try it out and we quickly surrounded him before he changed his mind. Long story short I fired my first full auto rifle (we were the only customers on the range) Now I want one, but am a complete newbie to the idea. Where do I start. Take it easy on me; I'm young and impressionable :)
 
Run a search for NFA, ATF, and Class III. Be warned it gets very expensive.

I am sure some one with more knowledge than me will be along shortly to chime in.
 
#3 Lots of time. It can take over 6 months for the paperwork to go through.
 
Check the FAQ at www.glocktalk.com under free-fire zone.

www.sturmgewehr.com and www.subguns.com and www.fnctalk.com are good places to look as well.

The only MGs you can buy now are ones registered before 1986. So pretty much any one you find for sale will be a 20+ year old antique. Since the supply was cut off in 1986 prices skyrocketed in the past 10 years. MACs are going for $3000 and M16s can cost $10,000-$15,000.

Texas allows you to own gun that goes bang, boom, thump, womp or splat so it's a matter of following the federal laws. The houston area sheriff and police chief are a bunch of leftwing political tools so they will not sign off on the NFA permission slip. If you live in that area you will have to form a LLC or trust to get around the signature.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I am going to check out those websites. I incorporated a real estate investment company a few years ago so that seems like an interesting bit of info I will need to check out.
 
I've been looking at prices too.

My findings have been:
M1 Thompsons are around $20,000
1928 Thompsons generally start at $30,000
BARs are around $30,000

If you find something that looks affordable make sure you check to see if it's a "dealer sample" those are purchaseable by dealers only, and therefore are much more affordable because of less demand.

Good luck, I've given up on the originals and will look at getting a semi-auto.
 
I incorporated a real estate investment company a few years ago so that seems like an interesting bit of info I will need to check out.
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It's probably better to start a new LLC and keep your real investments and your toys legally separate.
 
A few things...

Just wanted to put in my two cents...

First off, there are many great subguns that can be had for 8 k or less... Many under 5 k. Yes they do cost a bit more than your average long gun, but they are a frikin hoot to shoot.
The average turnaround for a form 4 or form 3 is two to three months with many coming back in a month.
Dont forget that if you purchase your NFA utilizing a Corp. or LLC, once you dissolve that corp or LLC you will either have to transfer them to yourself...with a CLEO sign-off... or sell them...BEFORE the LLC or Corp is dissolved.
We dont even think of a MG as an "antique" until its 50 years old... Even then it has just entered its "adult years". They will outlast us and our kids and our kids kids...

The only bad thing about NFA is that it is to the firearm world what crack is to the drug world! :evil: I picked up my first MG last summer and will be taking possesion of my next in two months.

Good luck!
 
FWIW, NFA firearms over 50 years old fall into the C&R category. This doesn't get the buyer out of the paperwork and tax, but I have been told the process is speeded up a little. Also, if the buyer has a C&R license, a C&R gun can be taken/shipped directly, even across state lines; there is no need for a Class 3 dealer on the buyer's end. Within a state, state rules apply, as with other guns.

Jim
 
Why in the world would that make any difference?
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Say your investment company gets sued for something real-estate related, and then you lose in court. Your machine guns would be assets of the company, and could be taken to pay the judgement. If they were the assets of a separate company, they wouldn't even be considered.
 
Sorry didnt mean to sound like I was saying a 50 year old firearm is an "antique" but I guess it sounded like it!

Jims right. If you have your 3ffl and you make an out of state purchase ( of a C&R MG) you save yourself a $200 dollar transfer.;) and a month or two of waiting for the stamp to come back.

I live in the last C&R only state in the US...Mn. Really cuts down on your choices of "affordable" mgs.
 
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I live in the last C&R only state in the US
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Try WA on for size. MG ownership is basically prohibited. Even the parts for them are contraband. They can send the US Army after you for a $6.50 peice of metal, (AK autosear).


RCW 9.41.190
Unlawful firearms — Exceptions.


(1) It is unlawful for any person to manufacture, own, buy, sell, loan, furnish, transport, or have in possession or under control, any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle; or to assemble or repair any machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle.

(2) This section shall not apply to:

(a) Any peace officer in the discharge of official duty or traveling to or from official duty, or to any officer or member of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Washington in the discharge of official duty or traveling to or from official duty; or

(b) A person, including an employee of such person if the employee has undergone fingerprinting and a background check, who or which is exempt from or licensed under federal law, and engaged in the production, manufacture, repair, or testing of machine guns, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles:

(i) To be used or purchased by the armed forces of the United States;

(ii) To be used or purchased by federal, state, county, or municipal law enforcement agencies; or

(iii) For exportation in compliance with all applicable federal laws and regulations.

(3) It shall be an affirmative defense to a prosecution brought under this section that the machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle was acquired prior to July 1, 1994, and is possessed in compliance with federal law.

(4) Any person violating this section is guilty of a class C felony.

RCW 9.41.220
Unlawful firearms and parts contraband.


All machine guns, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles, or any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for use in a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or in converting a weapon into a machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, illegally held or illegally possessed are hereby declared to be contraband, and it shall be the duty of all peace officers, and/or any officer or member of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Washington, to seize said machine gun, short-barreled shotgun, or short-barreled rifle, or parts thereof, wherever and whenever found.
 
They can send the US Army after you for a $6.50 peice of metal, (AK autosear).
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Other than the Posse Comitatus Act and the fact that the US Army doesn't take orders from the state of Washington, this is totally true.
 
Other than the Posse Comitatus Act and the fact that the US Army doesn't take orders from the state of Washington, this is totally true.
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t shall be the duty of all... and/or any officer or member of the armed forces of the United States or the state of Washington, to seize said machine gun,...or parts thereof, wherever and whenever found.

The PCA only affects US Army. They could call in the National Guard, the US Marines, (by request of assistance), or the Air Guard. If local SWAT can't handle it, expect it to go bad REALLY fast. (Or just piss off BATFE so they lie and say you have a meth factory so they get heavy military support to burn you out and shoot your nursing wife in the back.)

Read Unintended Consequences yet?
 
I went through this a couple of years ago and decided on a Uzi. I guy here had one NIB for $5500 - he had bought it in a group deal and used a MP5 so he never shot it. That was actually about $500 too much but now it's worth at least $7k I believe.

It's not hard to buy one but it's kind of tedious. We went through a dealer even though we didn't have to, but I had to give the seller $5500 and he kept the gun until ATF sent him the approval. Find a good Class 3 dealer in your area and they can help you alot.
 
k_semler, if someone in the government has that big a desire to see you imprisoned or "accidentally" killed while resisting arrest, the fact that you don't have a small gun part won't stop them in the least, it'll just be planted.
 
I live in the last C&R only state in the US...Mn. Really cuts down on your choices of "affordable" mgs.

I meant for those of us that live in a state that trusts us enough allow us to own MGs.....;)
 
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