Interesting article about National Park CCW

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Whomever wrote the linked article is unaware of the rule making process. The President has nothing to say regarding approval of any rule changes. Only if Congress DISapproves the rule change does the President have any say, in which he can veto a disapproval by Congress. Screwy, isn't it.

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Keep it concealed and you wont have any problems breaking the park service's silly reg. It is not like you would get more than a slap on the wrist citation/fine. My life is worth much more than that.
 
These agencies that make up their own rules about where and how we can carry, totally undermine the legislative process...

Why is out government letting them get away with this stuff instead of working for us? Why do they forget it is a goverment for the people?

Why are agencies allowed to tell us what we can do, and what is legal?

And where does it all end?
 
Whomever wrote the linked article is unaware of the rule making process. The President has nothing to say regarding approval of any rule changes. Only if Congress DISapproves the rule change does the President have any say, in which he can veto a disapproval by Congress. Screwy, isn't it.


Huh? It is the president's (executive branch's) agency. He can fire the head of the agency at will. Why can't the president tell them to do whatever he wants?
 
It is the president's (executive branch's) agency.
Yup. Seem to remember something called an Executive Order--you know, the kind George HW Bush used to ban imported semi-autos. No sunset provision.

Would be nice if his son did something for us gun owners, to balance the scales.
 
The President has nothing to say regarding approval of any rule changes.

Maybe not directly, but he does appoint the Secretary of the Interior (Dirk Kempthorne on May 26, 2006) and also the Director of the National Park Service (Mary A. Bomar on October 17, 2006). They hire their minions and hire nice loyal ones, I assume. I have to think the President has some strong pull there.
 
Sheesh, it really isn't that difficult:

Don’t Waste Energy on Concealed Guns in National Parks

A lot of people are hot and bothered about the Bush administration’s proposed rule to allow concealed weapons in national parks, but practically, is this really worth our time and effort?

Yes, it’s maddening to tolerate such low-end, election-year politics spurred by the National Rifle Association (NRA), but I say give the gun lobby this victory, so we can spend our time and energy on issues that could really help our national parks instead of worrying about something that’s already happening and hasn’t caused any problems.

Last year, after efforts to attach the loosening of the 25-year-old regulation that restricts, but does not ban, taking firearms into national parks as a rider on a must-pass bill failed, the new strategy became the administrative rule-making process, which is currently underway. The comment period ended Aug. 8, and the Department of the Interior, which includes the National Park Service (NPS) and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, received more than 100,000 comments. Obviously, these comments, even if 99 percent opposed the new rule, won’t matter, which is the case with most “public involvement” exercises. The Bush administration is obligated to make “this important step in the right direction” for the NRA. Even with widespread opposition, you can bet your last bullet that our lame duck will approve the rule before he leaves office with his tail between its legs.

As I wrote in a past column on the subject, people who believe so strongly that they always need a gun to protect themselves from bears and perverts are unlikely to leave it home when they go to a national park. Instead, they illegally take concealed weapons into national parks. Rangers know this happens, but do nothing to stop it. What could they do? Search every car? Have rangers ever searched a car for firearms at any national park entrance station?

For many years, this has gone on, and has it been a problem? No. The national parks have traditionally had very low crime rates, and that’s unlikely to change when the new rule goes into effect.

Will backpackers start taking big handguns and stub-nosed shotguns with them? Not likely. Backpackers are the type of people who count out their vitamin pills and cut down their toothbrushes to save weight. You think they’ll throw a three-pound revolver in the pack when they know the chances of needing it are as close to zero as you can get.

(Interestingly, 10 years ago, I went on a nine-day backpacking adventure in Gates of the Arctic National Park in Alaska, and the NPS actually recommended we take a shotgun with us, which we declined to do, primarily because nobody wanted to carry it. And, alas, we returned safely.)

The proposed rule has been totted as “lifting the handgun ban” in national parks, but this exaggerates what the rule does. Park visitors can already take handguns and all other legal firearms into national parks, but they must be dissembled, unloaded and inaccessible (such as cased in the truck of the car). This regulation was put in place in 1983 by none other than a NRA darling, Republican Ronald Reagan, and under the reign of terror of Secretary of the Interior James Watt.

As currently proposed, the rule would be extremely confusing, so let’s fix that problem before it becomes NPS policy. Right now, the rule only applies to national parks in states that allow concealed guns in state parks. Among western states, that includes Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington and Wyoming, not California, Idaho, New Mexico, Texas or Utah. (But you gotta think laws in those states will be changing fast after this new rule hits the books.)

Gun-toting tourists will have to be on their toes as they travel from park to park – or, get this, parts of parks! National parks like Yellowstone and Death Valley cross state lines. In Yellowstone, for example, you could only carry your gun in the Montana and Wyoming parts, not a small slice of Idaho. Ditto for Death Valley, which crosses the California/Nevada border.

So, let’s forget the state park requirement, and just let people have their guns in all national parks. I can't think of any good reason to fight this rule, and a lot of reasons to ignore it.

The greens and the NPS have much bigger fish to fry. They should concentrate on more important issues like securing adequate funding, making parks more affordable and accessible, trail and road maintenance, and improved interpretation. These and other issues related to the long-term health of our national parks need all our time, money and energy.
 
I've said it many times, I don't see how the federal government can enforce this ban on carrying a self-defense sidearm in the aftermath of Heller. And if the action is legal in the state in question, either because the person is carrying legally with a CWP, or in Alaska where one isn't required, or legally carrying openly, I don't see how someone could ultimately be in trouble--although I concede that it could cost them a lot of time, money, and hassle to get everything straightened out, and it might have to go all the way to the Supreme Court, depending upon what circuit the park is in.

I'd rather see the NRA/etc. filing suit to have the NPS ban declared null and void than doing so in Chicago and other places. There is no incorporation issue, in the former scenario, because it is the federal government that is enforcing the ban. The only argument that the NPS could make is that it is one of the reasonable regulations that are still permissible post Heller. But that case makes it pretty clear that handguns are the preferred weapon for self-defense for many Americans, and that self-defense--at least in the home--is a protected right. It's hardly a stretch to extend this reasoning to allow people to be prepared to defend themselves against whatever might come up, when they are miles from anywhere in a national park.

As for the weight, I would still carry; I'd just train more to handle it.
 
the rule only applies to national parks in states that allow concealed guns in state parks. Among western states, that includes Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Washington and Wyoming, not California, Idaho, New Mexico, Texas or Utah.
and Michigan.
 
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