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From Roanoke.com (http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story156802.html):

Wednesday, October 15, 2003

His guns are more than just weapons - they're works of art

Daniel Frank Cadle isn't in the business of selling guns. He repairs, refinishes and restocks them. He also custom builds them to fit the hunter.

By DONNA ALVIS-BANKS
THE ROANOKE TIMES

FAIRLAWN - In the hushed shelter of the deer blind - surrounded by tall grass beginning to dry and fade and the frosty smell of Jack pines - a young Daniel Frank Cadle opened and closed, opened and closed his grandfather's old double-barreled LeFever shotgun.

His inquiring mind had to know. How did it work?

"I would open and close that thing a hundred times," Cadle remembered 20 years later, as he sat in the office of his business, DFC Custom Gunsmithing. Perhaps it was his early curiosity that led him here, to open one of the few gunmaking shops in this part of the state.

Cadle was 14 that day when he bagged his first buck with his grandfather's LeFever, a boy becoming a man in a long line of men who treasured their time in the woods of Michigan. For the men in his family, guns - like arms and eyes and ears - were part of the anatomy.

As a gunmaker, Cadle's job is to make the gun fit the hunter. That means accounting for the hunter's strengths - and weaknesses.

"It's absolutely personal," said the 34-year-old craftsman, explaining that his job begins by taking stock of the person who will carry the gun he makes.

"It takes 1 1/2 hours just to get all the measurements," he said. "I build a gun to fit the type of person."

Frequently, that means building "handicap" guns for people who have long arms or short arms, people who favor the right eye or the left eye, people who are stout or slight.

Cadle takes his time because he understands the love affair between hunters and their guns, an understanding that has been years in the making.

When he was 17, Cadle's interest turned from guns to helicopters. He joined the U.S. Army in 1986 and found himself working on chopper turbines 3,000 miles across the Atlantic.

But Germany - a country known for its beer and Bavarian food and masterful craftsmanship - stirred something intrinsic to Cadle's nature.

In the shops of Suhl in Germany's Thuringian Forest, Cadle found his calling. The gunsmiths of Suhl - a city long reputed as Europe's armorer - made exquisitely detailed and exceptionally functional firearms.

"I saw those guns, and the passion of seeing that craftsmanship immediately went into my blood," he recalled.

Hunting excursions in Germany only fueled his fascination.

"The old hunters grew on me. They had these beautiful weapons. I decided it was something I had to do. I had to learn how to do that."

So after his discharge from the Army in 1990, Cadle set his sights on studying the art of gunsmithing in Suhl. He was told he couldn't enroll until he perfected his German, a task that took a year.

After mastering the language, Cadle was ready to master gunmaking.

"I got really excited the first day," he recalled. "I thought, 'Here I go - I'm going to be making guns!'"

But his first assignment was learning how to build screwdrivers. Soon after, he was given a file and a hunk of steel and told to make a 1-inch block. His exacting mentors measured it all the way around.

"That's how they teach precision," he noted.

He was assigned to a master gunsmith in one of Suhl's shops and told to go get chisels, go get files, go get breakfast.

"I was a gofer," he said, shrugging. "You don't get to do what you want to do right away. That's how you learn patience."

He spent seven years studying in Suhl and in Ferlach, Austria, the two most renowned gunmaking cities in the world. Most of the 24 students in his class were German, although there was one other American, as well as students from Africa, Holland and India.

In Germany, gunsmithing is a college-level academic program, not just a vocational program. It requires classroom instruction as well as hands-on training. It took Cadle two years to earn his associate's degree, another two for his bachelor's and two more for his master's. He received a doctorate with an additional year of training.

With this training, Cadle became adept at making guns from start to finish, at repairing broken hammers, stocks, barrels and triggers and at engraving intricate designs on gunstocks made of rich French and Circassian walnut.

But his "absolute specialty," he says, is making combination guns that join rifles and shotguns in a single unit. He has even made combination guns with as many as five barrels.

Combination guns, Cadle explained, are more popular in Europe than in the United States. The hunting seasons - much longer in European countries - make the multipurpose guns more practical for mixed-bag hunting.

When Cadle left Germany, he settled in the New River Valley because he figured he would have a better chance of operating a successful business here than in his native Michigan where, he noted, "there's a gun store on every corner." He heard about the area from a local man who had sold him some books on hunting.

"I had never been to Virginia before in my life," he said.

His first customer, 64-year-old Bill Bell of Dublin, was excited to find a German-trained gunsmith in the area. A collector of German guns, Bell said it was difficult to find local craftsmen who could work on them.

"I was having to go to Vinton all the time, but the gunsmith there was limited in what he could do," Bell said. "Daniel - I don't think he hardly has any limitations.

Cadle said the first gun Bell handed him was a Mauser that "looked like a dog had chewed it."

"It was full of dents and needed a lot of attention," he recalled. "I told him I would have it ready in approximately seven to 10 days."

Instead, wanting to make a good impression, Cadle stayed up all night working on the rifle. When Bell got it back the next day, he took one look and said, "Well, where did you get that weapon? That couldn't be mine." "I was just real, real pleased," Bell said, "so I immediately gave him some other guns to do."

These days, Cadle can't promise such quick turnaround on his work.

"He's a young man and he's busy," noted 60-year-old John Lanum, a customer from Ironto. "But when he's got the time, he can do you excellent work."

The cost of Cadle's work, Bell and Lanum agree, is reasonable. It's hard to quote a price range because the cost is based on the quality of materials and the detailed options customers want.

While much of his work is for customers from out of state, Cadle enjoys the one-on-one rapport he has with local hunters and collectors. Each October, he hosts a cook-out where they get together to devour wild boar and exchange ideas.

He doesn't do a lot of advertising. The GUNMAKR license plate on his Ford truck and the vertical GUNSMITHING sign at the driveway to his shop on U.S. 11 are sufficient.

"If I advertised," he said, "I wouldn't be able to run the place."
 
Fraud alert!!!

this is NO gunsmith! he has been run out of the last 2 towns he has lived in and fired from the past 2 gunshops. just go to wytheville and ask about him. he ruined guns, lied constantly and some people never got their firearm back! WATCH OUT FOR THIS CON-ARTIST/PATHELOGICAL LIAR! "German Gunsmith?:what:" the roanoke times should've checked his credentials better , he has NO proof of his training and furthermore his "SKILLS"(or lack thereof) prove it.
 
Whoa, *** dude...

i was reading this nice article, thinking 'i might go hunting even-though-i-don't-like-killing-animals just to meet and talk to this seriously cool dude...'

Then

FRAUD!

Anyone else want to confirm?
 
I'm right near Wytheville, I could call a shop or two and find out some more information. Or I could give you all a number to a trusted shop if you want to find out.
 
Fraud alert!!!

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this is NO gunsmith! he has been run out of the last 2 towns he has lived in and fired from the past 2 gunshops. just go to wytheville and ask about him. he ruined guns, lied constantly and some people never got their firearm back! WATCH OUT FOR THIS CON-ARTIST/PATHELOGICAL LIAR! "German Gunsmith?" the roanoke times should've checked his credentials better , he has NO proof of his training and furthermore his "SKILLS"(or lack thereof) prove it.


Ummmmm Wow! Is that really your first post? That was one heck of an entrance:what:
 
I think this might be a case of strong personal opinion. I have delt with a couple of smiths here in Va, and had great results. Then later, when I mention their name, I hear "BUTCHER" or "RIP OFF ARTIST". I have also delt with some and had very bad results, however I do not bash them, as they do have many satisfied customers here. I just won't return to them. If ever asked about either of them, I state the facts of my experience, ( keeping my opinion closed ) and let the individual make up their minds whether to go to them or not.
 
In the year or so after this article appeared I talked to several people in more than one VA county.
Except for the folks that spent 1000’s of $ for high end work the nicest comment on Cadle was butcher.
I actually inquired about him working on a pistol of mine. He showed no interest at all.
:rolleyes:
 
Remember, Roanoke Times is the rag that decided it absolutely needed to publish the names of all concealed handgun permit holders in the Commonwealth because we're menaces to society. If the claims about the man are true and though this article came out four years prior to their exposing us as such deviants, it would just underline the Times' staff's utter lack of journalistic integrity.

Perhaps their anti-gun agenda was being served by writing about someone who is allegedly a hack, people would have their firearms ruined and possibly unusable.
 
Able to verify comments!

if you need to know about Daniel Cadle just call Sportsman Supply in Wytheville (2762270221)Victor Billings (Owner) can tell you all about Daniel and how he RUINED all kinds of Guns& was fired! or Call New Era Shooter Supply in Wytheville (2762284776)too. they have had several of Daniel Cadles botched pieces come through that were UNSAFE to fire! im saying this not because he has worked on my stuff ( that would never happen) but because somebody is going to get hurt badly if this guys incompetence is not stopped!we as a gun community need to stick together and warn others about those that cant gunsmith! please feel free to Go ahead verify my statements .
 
2 years ago?

Okay, here...

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The same week Trejbal put up this story his own address and photos of it popped up all over the web.
The Times circulation dropped like a governor selling senate seats and best of all the list got pulled.
Seems some of us gun nuts are/might be firemen or cops or teachers or doctors or judges or elected officials or…so on.
 
So, has anyone called to confirm that this "smith" is a fraud?

A "doctorate" in gunsmithing? Geez? I've heard of apprentice, journeyman, master and grand master but not a doctorate.
 
I don't know about a Ph.D. in gunsmithing, but they do have some comprehensive schools in Europe. Here's a little on one in Austria. They have a 4-year gunsmith program and then a 5-year firearms engineering program. Free tuition if you are accepted and can afford living expenses.

John

http://members.chello.at/zafax/ger-ber2.htm

"A most appropriate symbol for the finest school for training gunsmiths in the world," you reply. For you have arrived at the Gunsmithing School for which this quiet town of 7,000 inhabitants in Austria's southernmost province of Kärnten (Carinthia) hard against the Slovenian border has long been world famous."

"Classrooms and workshops for the Gunsmithing School, which was formally established in 1778, were specifically incorporated into the design. And, as you will see, so was a sophisticated firearms testing facility.""

""We offer two gunsmithing related programs. The first is a four year program in the Fachschule, our Vocational Department, the successful completion of which confers a technical diploma as a büchsenmacher -- gunsmith.

The second program in our Höhere Abteilung, our Advanced Department, requires five years and confers a diploma in waffentechnik --firearms engineering. The major difference between the two programs is the theory and operational designs of various firearms. Currently, there are 80 students in the four year program, and 100 students in the five year program. There are approximately 20 students in each year group.""

It's a long article...
 
Open ur eyes people!!

I have known this gunMAKER for nine years since his return trip to the U.S. He is a true professional, has NO upset customers that myself (a long time customer, or any of my friends, who are also customers) know of. He has taken NOONE's firearm, has even kept peoples firearms who couldnt pay on time and waited until they could pay to give them their firearm back! He has never been ran out of two towns, he has ALWAYS been self employed, but worked together with BACKANDTOTHELEFT, in Wytheville, where Mr. Victor Billings aka(Backandtotheleft), used the area where Daniel was renting from Mr. billings to cheat on his wife with YOUNG girls he found off of the internet,..(Fling.com). Daniel was unable to work some evenings due to Mr. billings being there,...I witnessed this several times myself, while wanting to watch him work on my firearms, which Daniel does after normal store hours, due to talking with customers, ordering parts, etc. during the day, his main physical labor time comes in usually between 6pm and midnight. After Mrs. Billings figured out what her husband was doing in the evening, she waited till her husband went on vacation to come check up on him and look in the computer, and question the other workers, including Daniel, about her husbands behaviour. Daniel lied to Mrs. Billings, to protect Mr. Victor Billings, because if she knew what was going on she would have divorced Mr. Billings and both Victor AND Daniel would have had to look for a new place to work, so Daniel said he knew of NOTHING. Then after returning from his "hunting vacation", Mr. Billings told Daniel to leave at once, thinking that Daniel had told his wife everything he was doing. His rent was paid 2 months in advance, something Daniel ALWAYS did during the October-November deer season, ever since I've known him. All Daniels customers guns sat there to rot, scopes, mounts, rings, stocks, barrels and other accessories were all stolen from Mr. Billings, and his "employees", while Daniel had to get a court order to pick up his entire inventory. After picking the firearms up, they were rusted, and ALL needed to be reblued, at Daniels expense. Daniel even had to RE-PURCHASE a scope of mine that was stolen out of "Sportsmens Supply" owned by "backandtotheleft", Mr. Billings. So, for someone trying to ruin Daniels reputation, try harder because it only made him better today, where he is much better off. Mr. Billings cost Daniel over $12,000 in parts damage, stolen goods, HIS DRIVERS LICENSE,...yes,.. upon picking up Daniels drag race car and trying to load it he drove the car 75 yds to his 48 ft. 3 axle trailer, (that was impossible to park on Main Street in Wytheville), and was stopped by 6 police cars,...(Set up by Mr. Billings, whose friends all work for the police station), Daniel was ticketed 14 times for operation of a race car on a public used street. So Mr. Billings couldnt even leave Daniel alone when he was leaving, he had to stab him in the back one more time!! This cost Daniel $5,800 in Lawyer fees, court fines, DMV fines, reinstatement fees, etc. And Daniel did it all by himself, the so called "Butcher". I can have at least a hundred people that I know of testify of Daniel's work, and are all repeat customers since his return trip from Germany. (Yes he attended German Gunmakers College) He is not your typical "2 week over the computer correspondent school gunsmith", he is real! And for the person being turned down from Daniel to perform work on their pistol,...there was a reason being for that, Daniel DOES turn down work upon occassion, either being an unsafe task, that would result in injury or death to a customer, or because Daniel does not care to work for 10 hours for $20, and quite frankly,..I dont blame him. Thank you for reading this,..."I was there".
 
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