Interesting Russian revolver, LEO potential?

[Gabe]

UDAR Revolver Complex
The UDAR Revolver Complex provides the entire range of fighting means to be used by law enforcement agencies for a wide range of missions.

The complex comprises:

12.3 mm revolver;
12.3 mm live cartridge;
12.3 mm cartridge with plastic bullet;
pyroliquid cartridge;
noise cartridge.




The revolver fires different special cartridges produced on the basis of a hunting cartridge case, gauge 32 (shotgun).

The cartridge with a sub-calibre steel bullet is effective for suppression of an enemy wearing body armour. The bullet of this cartridge penetrates a 5mm-thick steel plate from a distance of aimed fire. The cartridge with a rubber bullet is used to stop anti-social behaviour. The colour ink bullet is intended for training exercises and "marking" of offenders.

The enemy wounded with a bullet of a high stopping capability is immediately disabled for active resistance. Shot cartridges are effectively used in conditions of limited visibility and in absence of confirmed information regarding the enemy whereabouts.

The revolver is loaded with a cartridge clip and used cartridge clip. Used cartridge cases are extracted simultaneously. Three filled reserve clips are carried in the box together with the holster.

The striker-and-trigger mechanism permits firing either in the self cocking mode or with the cock being set before firing.


Basic Characteristics


Weight with empty cylinder, g 950
Length, mm 210
Cylinder capacity, rds 5
Sighting range, m:
live cartridge 50
cartridge with plastic bullet 15
pyroliquid cartridge 5
Pattern of fire from supported sitting position, cm:
live cartridge at range of 25 m, R50mean, max 4
cartridge with plastic bullet at range of 25m, R50mean, max 20
pyroliquid cartridge at range of 4 m, R100mean, max 15
Cartridge noise sound pressure level at range of 1.5 m, dB, min 150

 

[CWL]

So another .50 caliber revolver? When police already have enough problems controlling .38s, 9mm and .40 cal?

I't be impossible to change back to revolvers since LEOs have painfully changed over to semiautos during the past two decades.
One main arguement was that they were 'outgunned' by BGs with just six-shooters. Bigger bullets doesn't compare to better training.

A big-bore revolver that did everything would still be a compromise when compared to shotguns and carbines that have made it into patrol cars nationwide. A 12ga bean bag would hit harder than a rubber bullet from a revolver, the .223 does well penetrating vests and is easier to aim, reload and carries more rounds.

Lastly, no one is going to equipt their dept. with a Russian pistol.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Lastly, no one is going to equipt their dept. with a Russian pistol.

Not to mention the fact that it's ugly.

 

[Gordon]

I want one! It is way cool looking , it would be me car/truck gun. I bet it is reasonably priced being russian made . Hope it's not LEO only. Hope the bore is rifled and below .499 to pass BATF.

 

[Okiecruffler]

That may be the ugliest thing I've ever seen

And pretty much useless.


Where can I get one?

 

[Gabe]

I mean the concept itself is interesting. Here you have a handgun that can fire a versatile range of non-lethal ammunition, as well as having a very effective lethal ammunition.

If the concept is good, I'm sure there are plenty of American arms companies that can make something similiar or better.

 

[Snowdog]

Cartridge clip? I'm not getting that... must have gone over my head.

Looking at this revolver, I'm having trouble understanding how it's loaded and unloaded. It doesn't seem to be a break-top design, and I don't see the cylinder crane....

 

[Handy]

Yeah, I'm not getting the "cartridge" thing in the write up either.


My question is; how is this different from a .44 revolver loaded with variety of ammunition? I should think anything you can do in .50, you can do in .44. Perhaps clearer details would help.

 

[Johnny Guest]

Some observations - - -

noise cartridge. Is that anything like a BLANK?

pyroliquid cartridge What? Paintballs? OC pepper capsules?

The enemy wounded with a bullet of a high stopping capability is immediately disabled for active resistance. Without regard for placement?

Shot cartridges are effectively used in conditions of limited visibility and in absence of confirmed information regarding the enemy whereabouts. So, you just shoot at, uh, NOISES in the dark? I understand, police in some countries have less difficulty with the concept of blinding somebody with birdshot than US cops do. Come to that, I don't particularly care for the concept of mixing less-lethal munitions in general issue with .487" slugs or sub caliber armor penetrating bullets. (Dear Chief: You know the new plastic bullet cartridges? Well . . . . )

Cartridge clip/Used cartridge clip??? Something like a full moon clip?

Could this be a design with cylinder that swings out to the RIGHT side?

I'd like to have one for T&E for a while. NOT because I could ever see this being adopted by ANY US LEA, but because I just like gadgets.

Thanks for posting that, Gabe. Who says small arms development is in a slump?


Johnny

 

[Dr.Rob]

Could be that the photo was reversed. Could be that it uses full moon clips.

VERY likely the translator isn't very good.

Also highly likely this was designed for a market we don't have. Namely, Russian citizens can own smooth bores, but not rifled ones. If the UDAR is a smoothbore it's designed for a civilan as well as police market.

And what's not to understand?

We have a riot control situation.. arm the troops with rubber bullets and stingballs (color coded ammo box #1) we have a serious home defense situation (color coded ammo box #2) oh we have pesky pigeons roosting in the Premier's rafters (ammo box #3 etc).

Not its probably no BETTER than the loads available for a 44 magnum, but you can't BUY a 44 in Russia.

As a conversaition piece its kind of neat, bet the ammo is pricey. Looks like a Glock revolver to me. (and likely is made of carbon fiber and steel inserts)

There were multiple threads on the UDAR at TFL.

 

[Mannlicher]

http://www.rusarm.ru/main.htm

Interesting site for an interesting company. This is the same outfit that was sending anti tank weapons to Iraq, and providing GPS jammers to Iraq. I would not buy a paper clip from the bastards. (Whoops, pardon my 'French') oh my , double whoops, two curse words !!)