Interesting self defense where one shot kills two

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I read this in a motorcycle forum:

LIVING WITH KILLING: Ex-cop never had fired at anyone, but this time, she says she had to

December 16, 2003

BY CECIL ANGEL
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

Adela Rivera never fired her gun at anyone in 20 years as a Detroit police officer.

Now a Detroit bar owner, she fired it recently. Once. The single bullet killed two men, who police say were attempting to run over her manager after they had been assaulting and robbing customers in the bar's parking lot.

The shooting has left a number of people reeling. Rivera says she is depressed that she took the lives of two people. And the men's families are asking why Rivera has been cleared by prosecutors and police.

"I never thought I'd . . . I would kill two people," said Rivera, 49. "It was a tragedy. It was a terrible tragedy, and I'm sorry it happened."

Barbara Gordillo, the sister-in-law of one of the men said: "How could she just kill two people and get away with it? I think the cops covered for her. I really do believe it."

Rivera owns Adela's Place, a neighborhood bar she opened six years ago on a lonely stretch of Fort Street in southwest Detroit, where on Nov. 1 she had the fatal encounter withDorian Gordillo, 22, and Rosalio Becerra-Santoyo, 31, both of Detroit.

The following is according to Rivera and police:

It started out like any other Saturday night.

Adela's Place is a former country-and-Western bar that caters mostly to Mexican immigrants. Patrons danced to the house band, Fantasia, under dimmed lights. Rivera worked the door, checking IDs.

Suddenly, a man, who looked injured, ran past Rivera and straight to Salvador Cuevo, the manager, who was behind the bar.

"Salvador comes and grabs me at the door and says they're robbing customers outside, let's go," Rivera recalled.

As Rivera and Cuevo rushed out, a second customer ran past them.

Detroit police homicide investigator Barbara Higgins said one of the victims said Gordillo and Becerra-Santoyo were sitting in Gordillo's black Dodge Neon, claiming they needed help with a flat tire.

When the man approached, Gordillo and Becerra-Santoyo left the car, grabbed the man by the neck and hit him in the back of the head with a beer bottle. They both demanded money.

Upon seeing Rivera and Cuevo, Gordillo and Becerra-Santoyo jumped back into the car, which was pointed toward the parking lot gate.

"I'm trying to pull the driver out of the car, and I saw Salvador on the passenger side, and then I saw him run to the front of the car," Rivera said.

She pulled out a .38-caliber Smith & Wesson that was tucked in her waistband.

Cuevo was standing 10 feet in front of the car, trying to get the remote control to close the gate.

Rivera noticed Gordillo had put the car in drive and, she said, stepped on the gas.

"All of a sudden, the car just went, and there was no place for Salvador to go," Rivera said.

She fired her gun. Just once.

The bullet entered the left side of Gordillo's neck, just below his ear, according to the Wayne County medical examiner. It punctured his throat, exited the right side of his jaw and slammed into the left side of Becerra-Santoyo's chest, near the nipple.

The wounded Gordillo kept driving. He missed Cuevo by 2 feet as he sped through the gate, which had closed only halfway.

The car was found about 2:30 a.m. Nov. 2 by an off-duty Detroit police officer at McKinstry and the I-75 service drive, about four blocks away. The driver was slumped over the wheel, his door open and one foot sticking out. The passenger was sitting upright with a bottle of Bud Light in his hand. Both men were dead.
 
WOW, good for the women. Heck of a shot under amazing stress even if she only expected to get one.

It is also a heck of a way to save ammo.
 
Geez. Who says .38 can't push it anymore?

I"m kind of curious....was it a snub, or an old model 10, or what? Any ideas as to the load?

Not trying to be totally morbid, just curious.
 
I know, we can comment on the situation from a distance, but it's got to be hard up close and personal for the shooter, even if the the criminals who were shot deserved to be stopped cold for attempting to harm someone.

I personally knew a former cop in California who lived in the apartment above mine about 12 years ago who got out of the department because he shot and killed a person even though it was considered a justified shooting. He couldn't function after that in his capacity to carry a firearm. He didn't talk much about it but showed me the photos and the letter from the department. I always thought that was more than curious. And I was basically just an acquaintance who he would just shoot the breeze with once and awhile...not a friend. I always thought he was looking for absolution, despite the the fact it was considered a justified shooting.

How one feels after the fact may have nothing to do with why you had to shoot in the first place.
 
So lemme get this straight....

The two muggers had ceased attacking people and were attempting to flee, and the owner of the bar attempted to stop them from fleeing. As they attempted to flee in their car, the bar manager got in front of the car, and the owner shot the driver in an attempt to stop him from running over the manager. The bullet passed through the driver into the passenger, who had ceased attacking anyone and was not operating the vehicle that almost ran over the manager.

Right?

I think these two thugs got what they deserved, but I also wonder what legal repercussions the shooter would have faced were she not a former cop.
 
The bullet passed through the driver into the passenger, who had ceased attacking anyone and was not operating the vehicle that almost ran over the manager.

Right?

I think these two thugs got what they deserved, but I also wonder what legal repercussions the shooter would have faced were she not a former cop.

From the standpoint of criminal liability, I'll wager that the driver is considered liable for the death of the passenger.

I seriously doubt that the shooter's former occupation entered into the equation at all.
 
So lessee.. Bad guys who where (with a beer bottle) bashing in heads (causing great bodily harm) to patrons in order to rob them, while in an attempt to leave privately owned premises (the bar pakring lot) in a vehicle, proceeds in the direction of the manager (an employee), in an apparent attempt to run him over (thereby causing great bodily harm or possibly death) gets shot and killed by owner (of the bar) in an act of preserving her employee's well being..

I'm no police officier or lawyer, but I don't see anything wrong with that.. Was good shot.

And don't see why some people are "reeling" over it. Guess it was OK for them to be grabbing people by their necks and bashing their heads with a beer bottle. Sheesh!!.
 
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