International Response II - From Singapore

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Someone in a Singapore-based discussion forum just posted his response to the VT incident:

Don't act surprised. Seeing the very lacklustre efforts of the US to prevent another Columbine massacre, I cannot help but say that the inevitable has happened. High schools across the US have made conspicuous efforts to up security since the Columbine saga, but there is only this much you can do to prevent the intrusion of armaments into the campus. Surely there are better prevention measures they could have taken to prevent a repeat of this preposterous affair?

The answer is pretty straightforward and facile. It certainly doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure out that a better prevention would be to tighten legislations towards the ownership of guns. If there is one group of gadgets ever invented to the detriment of the global society, that would be guns and other weapons which are made to take a life.

I believe that I represent a huge majority of the world's population when I say that I totally cannot comprehend the need for gun-ownership to be allowed in any society. Unlike our daily staples of food, water or clothing, we can totally live without it. In fact, we would live much better if such an inhumane invention is dispensed of from our society.

Statistics don't lie. The US are have the highest number of firearms-related death rates in the United Nations with more than 30,000 deaths a year, with Italy behind at around 10,000 deaths a year. We're looking at arguable the most developed nation in the world, and you would expect a tinge of rationality in the government to curb this glaring problem. Instead, these figures soar with each year.

One might wonder, what in the world is stopping the US from implementing a nationwide ban on the ownership of guns? The fact is that there are several social and political factors that make this a very complicated legislation to be passed. There are huge group of people who would actually prefer the false sense of security of having a pistol to defend themselves against an assailant. There is also a sense of national pride amongst the Americans for their 'glorious' conquest of the land they took from the native Indians, in which their ownership of guns had a huge part to play. However, the main obstacle of such a move would be the socio-economic effects which would be synonymous with whether the current political party would be re-elected for the next term. Imagine how many hunters would require job-restructuring, how many ammunition enterprises would have to relinquish their assets overnight, and how the ammunitions black market would spin out of control. With less violence to deal with, there would probably be a need to retrench a considerable portion of the country's police force, and the security service industry would definitely plummet. At the end of the tunnel, an abysmal GDP figure awaits, and it would be equivalent to political suicide for the ruling party.

Columbine was a wake up call. It got the nation thinking for a moment, but as history doesn't fail to tell us, people make the same mistakes, over and over again. Apparently in the US, for every voice that crys out for the banning of armaments, there is more than enough voices to cover it. It is all left to see how many more innocent lives have to be lost before the nation finally realises that it has been a folly to trade national security for economic stability.

The Virginia Tech Massacre, which dwarfed the once-unparalleled Columbine affair, will once again bring about a national outcry. Once again, we will see them blaming one another for the incident, and many heads would roll. But again, they will not look to tighten their legislations for gun ownership, which seems almost taboo to the American society.

We're still a long way from seeing a decrease in violence in the US. There will be more public massacres to come, as long as lunatics continue to be able to get their hands on these guns readily.

Country roads leading to Virginia would never be the same again......

Here is the relevant page of the thread with the post (it's about halfway down).

Yeesh! That post is riddled with so many misconceptions, inaccuracies and outright lies that I don't even know where to begin to formulate a response. Any suggestions?
 
I don't know if I could even try to answer

My view of Singapore is based on snippets of history, movies,
TV fiction and travelogue, some history channel, et cetera.
At least I have the good sense to realize that my impression
of Singapore is probably way off base. Most foreigners view
the United States through a distorted funhouse mirror image.
You would be speaking to them, but they would not hear
what you said in the sense you meant due to total lack of context.
 
Singapore is a nanny state to the fullest extent of the term. Their government banned the importation and sale of chewing gum because of vandalism. The ban was only relaxed in 2004 under US pressure, and only for gums with "therapeutic value".

Suffice to say, their concept of individual freedom vs. the so-called collective good is quite a bit different from many other nations.
 
Isn't Singapore that same bastion of civility, where they lashed an American kid with a cane for spray painting grafitti on a car?

Let's nuke 'em! :evil:
 
The answer is pretty straightforward and facile. It certainly doesn't need a rocket scientist to figure out that a better prevention would be to tighten legislations towards the ownership of guns. If there is one group of gadgets ever invented to the detriment of the global society, that would be guns and other weapons which are made to take a life.

This is flat wrong.

He seems to be failing to remember all of Human history before the invention of guns (especially the repeating gun). Those days from 10,000BC to 1600 - 1700 odd AD were fraught with the biggest and strongest taking what they want.

When you think about it, look at HOW CIVILIZATION AROSE MORE QUICKLY IN THE WORLD AFTER THE INVENTION OF GUNS THAN BEFORE THE INVENTION OF GUNS.


...but as history doesn't fail to tell us, people make the same mistakes, over and over again.

Yes, apparently they do. They give up their arms and then are able to be dominated by a small and sinister group who has them and control of them.
 
Corporal punishment

Isn't Singapore that same bastion of civility, where they lashed an American kid with a cane for spray painting grafitti on a car?
I believe so. And just think of what would happen here, if WE actually held vandals and other misbehaving teens--AND their parents--responsible for their acts, rather than just counselling them!

Read Heinlein's Starship Troopers--the book, not the movie--to see how that might play out.
 
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PM Lee Hsien Loong is an idiot manchild who should have his kneecaps cracked and be dumped into the Indian Ocean.

In Singapore, I would be subject to prosecution for criminal defamation fo saying that.
 
Unlike our daily staples of food, water or clothing, we can totally live without it. In fact, we would live much better if such an inhumane invention is dispensed of from our society.

Actually, I feel I must point out that in this respect, the gentleman is correct. We would all live much better without the inhumane weapons of destruction.

That is, until someone comes along who decides that they need his food and water more than he does...
 
Foreign idiots

I love how these clowns alway compare the U.S. to other countries. Sorry Mr. jack-ass from "Sling-a-whore", but the U.S. is the most diverse country on the planet and no other country is even close. I travel quite a bit overseas, and as much as the Euro-trashlikes to set themselves above the U.S., they can't hold our jock when it comes to diversity. From religions, to ethnicity, to race, to sexual orientation, the U.S. is the mecca for all who want to do as they please. Funny how somebody from Singapore talks about freedom like they are the authority...Hell, the last time I check the country/city of Singapore was a family business run pretty much like a liberal dictatorship. I won't eve touch the flakes on the other side of the Atlantic.
 
An expert on why americans own guns is living in Singapore. :rolleyes:

He sounds a lot like the anti-firearm experts we have here. Just be a good little peasant and you won't get hurt. :scrutiny:
 
"we can totally live without it" and die without 'em, too.

"The US are have the highest number of firearms-related death rates in the United Nations"
Seems that I hear of people being killed off in a lot of places in Africa... and I'm pretty sure that there are different ways of reporting crimes in different countries. Wouldn't be a suprise if a lot of them are fudging the statistics.

We've had higher crime rates than most other industrialized nations for years. At the time of Sherlock Holmes and Watson, the Brits had less crime than we did - even though the gun laws, as far as I know, were identical. I have no idea why. Some people think it's 'cause of all the oddball cultures we put into one nation - Eskimos, Italians, Orientals, Irish, German, Scottish, Polish, Africans... maybe the clannishness of some groups contributes to the higher crime rate - since murder rates, at least, don't seem to cross racial boundaries very often. Drug war, maybe? Don't think that other countries ever declared a drug war.

I don't know why we've only had one civil war. By rights, we should all be trying to kill each other all the time. Look at the UK. How many wars were there - with English versus Scots, English versus Welsh, English versus Irish? People ignore all that, because those conflicts are hundreds of years in the past... since the Scots, Irish, Welsh, and English have been in the same places for about a thousand years, maybe more. After several hundred years, ethnic differences/clannishness appear to fade away. America is a pretty new country - especially in regards to the cultures making it up. You can't say France is a new country - despite governmental changes, the makeup of the population isn't radically different from what it was in the 1700s, as it is here.
For a brand new country with dozens of very different ethnic/religious/cultural groups, I don't reckon our crime rate is especially bad.
 
I believe that I represent a huge majority of the world's population when I say that I totally cannot comprehend the need for gun-ownership to be allowed in any society.
Truer words were never spoken. He totally cannot comprehend.

--Len.
 
PM Lee Hsien Loong is an idiot manchild who should have his kneecaps cracked and be dumped into the Indian Ocean.

In Singapore, I would be subject to prosecution for criminal defamation fo saying that.

Actually I don't think you would get hit with crime. Calling someone an idiot isn't defamation.

The rest though could be considered a threat. Saying it in the USA would probably get you a visit by the Secret Service. And depending on the interview, you could be charged with a crime in the US.
 
Those freaks in Singapore can bash my constitution, the they are the ones whos national bird is the "Ladyboy"......(Petite man dressed/altered to look like a woman)

The post by the Singaporean is ignorant, but by responding with such ignorance is ironic.
 
and as much as the Euro-trash likes to set themselves above the U.S., they can't hold our jock when it comes to diversity.

Nor our most eloquent use of English! :D

Really, I'm not giving you a hard time, nucstl1, you have highlighted one of the reasons I really do love the English language. The Brits may have "invented" English, but Americans have truly mastered it!
 
SOMEONE always has guns.

There were MANY guns in the Soviet Union. They were, however, in the hands of a totalitarian regime.

Since guns can't be made to disappear entirely (and fists even less so), it's a better option to let ALL have them, than only allow the worst abusers of power have them. Those are the only two real options; other options are not reality.

Either government and criminals, or government, criminals, and citizens. Those are the two REAL options.

Now, perhaps we should start caning petty vandals (I'm all for it) and ban chewing gum. But one must realize that Singapore has chosen comfortable totalitarian rule over individual freedom, because totalitarianism is cleaner and more orderly. We have not. And I don't wish to.
 
With less violence to deal with, there would probably be a need to retrench a considerable portion of the country's police force, and the security service industry would definitely plummet.
Oh, does he mean like the UK, where the rate of violent crime is seven times higher than the US? Yea, the gun ban there has totally left the cops with nothing to do. :rolleyes:
 
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