IPSC most punished errors
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Trying to shoot beyond your ability level is THE most common problem I see. From what I can tell we all do it to some extent. Most of the time this is described as 'going too fast'.
What we need to learn how to do is shoot as fast as we can with 100% quality shots while not wasting any time or motion in everything else. The difference between the weekend shooters and the top dogs is most clear in movement and efficiency. Having watched some of the top shooters they aren't ripping off .15 splits on a 15 yards partial trying to make up time, instead they are focused on efficiency so they can back down to .4 splits and max points on that 15 yard partial. They don't waste time or motion, so they have plenty of time to execute quality shots while completing the course in very little time overall. However long it takes to execute the shot is how long they take, and everything else is done as fast as possible.
What we need to learn how to do is shoot as fast as we can with 100% quality shots while not wasting any time or motion in everything else. The difference between the weekend shooters and the top dogs is most clear in movement and efficiency. Having watched some of the top shooters they aren't ripping off .15 splits on a 15 yards partial trying to make up time, instead they are focused on efficiency so they can back down to .4 splits and max points on that 15 yard partial. They don't waste time or motion, so they have plenty of time to execute quality shots while completing the course in very little time overall. However long it takes to execute the shot is how long they take, and everything else is done as fast as possible.
Jim Watson
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A common error I see is shooting fast, moving slow.
A hundredth of a second off your splits will not do you as much good as saving a couple of seconds by taking the most direct route from point to point and arriving there ready to shoot right away. A smooth reload is a timesaver. As one Master puts it, it is the stuff you do while NOT shooting that you can make up the most time on.
A hundredth of a second off your splits will not do you as much good as saving a couple of seconds by taking the most direct route from point to point and arriving there ready to shoot right away. A smooth reload is a timesaver. As one Master puts it, it is the stuff you do while NOT shooting that you can make up the most time on.
CZHEN, go ahead and RUN, run like something is going to eat you if you stop, but back down and get the hits when shooting. Jim is exactly right when he said most try to shoot fast to make up the time, very little time in a course of fire is actually spent shooting. It is everything else that you have to do to get to the shooting that makes all the difference in the world.
Go see Manny Bragg at the Universal Shooting Academy in Frostproof. It will be a HUGE shortcut to getting better and learning the proper way to do things.
Go see Manny Bragg at the Universal Shooting Academy in Frostproof. It will be a HUGE shortcut to getting better and learning the proper way to do things.
Longbow
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Not paying attention during walk through.
I got hit with 16 procedurals once in a major match.
I got hit with 16 procedurals once in a major match.
I see a LOT of people with equipment that doesn't run too, I just don't understand how they can bring the same choking POS to match after match after match........
Equipment that runs should be a given, but it doesn't seem to be. Your gun and ammunition must run 100%.
Equipment that runs should be a given, but it doesn't seem to be. Your gun and ammunition must run 100%.
MNgoldenbear
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HSMITH, it's not always the same POS that they bring to a match. I've seen people bring brand new equipment or loads, even to big matches. Work out kinks in practice. Matches are neat places to get new ideas, but poor places to try them for the first time.
Focus is sometimes a problem, especially at club level matches, where socialization is a big part of the draw. Saw an experienced shooter run several magazines dry after only a few rounds out of each -- put mags back on belt after previous stage and forgot to reload due to distractions! (Much profanity ensued!)
As far as actual penalties, I've only had to DQ a few people, but really watch that 180. Finger placement during movement/reloading/jam clearing is also a place people sometimes run into trouble.
Focus is sometimes a problem, especially at club level matches, where socialization is a big part of the draw. Saw an experienced shooter run several magazines dry after only a few rounds out of each -- put mags back on belt after previous stage and forgot to reload due to distractions! (Much profanity ensued!)
As far as actual penalties, I've only had to DQ a few people, but really watch that 180. Finger placement during movement/reloading/jam clearing is also a place people sometimes run into trouble.
dragongoddess
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So IPSC is nothing more than throwing as many rounds down range as possible as you run from one point to another and hitting the target is just an extra. Is that about it.
Jim Watson
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That's about it.
If you don't care about winning.
If you do care about winning, you have to hit the target, and pretty well, at that.
If you don't care about winning.
If you do care about winning, you have to hit the target, and pretty well, at that.
Your rig isn't all that important, as long as it hold everything secure then it good enough. save money for practice.
Most important thing after safety is being able to call your shot. Don't shoot faster than you can see
Then learn to shoot while moving, if you aren't shooting then you should be running
Most important thing after safety is being able to call your shot. Don't shoot faster than you can see
Then learn to shoot while moving, if you aren't shooting then you should be running
Riss
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Grasshopper...
slow down to go fast. In other words, as summed up above, go as fast as you feel comfortable, while making all of your shots count.
slow down to go fast. In other words, as summed up above, go as fast as you feel comfortable, while making all of your shots count.
Ron Brooks
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One of, if not the most important thing about IPSC is to learn is that you can't miss fast enough to win.
I didn't practice enough in the past (ft job-2 kids-college kept me bussy on week-ends), but I followed what an old Pope told at the club once, just focus on the target don't run & forget about the timer, thing that I did so I have clear reloading and aiming.Therefore, my score are better. On the other hand, sometimes I got procedurals IDk from where.
czhen
czhen
dragongoddess
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Corriea
No not an offical match. There is a group of people who run what they call an IPSC 101 match in an effort to get more people involved. It's an introduction to IPSC shooting but without any kind of competitive pressure. I shot my second "match" this past Sunday. We had 29 people turn out to shoot. Old, young and 2 females me being one.
Had a lot of fun and plan on working on my accuracy first before worrying about speed. The past 2 times ( the only times) I shot there were rated shooters there to run the match. I did what I could with my little old Rock Island 45.
Now I'll tell you one thing. Those little steel poppers need to go. I seem to have one heck of a time trying to hit them. Got me a couple of hostages though.
No not an offical match. There is a group of people who run what they call an IPSC 101 match in an effort to get more people involved. It's an introduction to IPSC shooting but without any kind of competitive pressure. I shot my second "match" this past Sunday. We had 29 people turn out to shoot. Old, young and 2 females me being one.
Had a lot of fun and plan on working on my accuracy first before worrying about speed. The past 2 times ( the only times) I shot there were rated shooters there to run the match. I did what I could with my little old Rock Island 45.
Now I'll tell you one thing. Those little steel poppers need to go. I seem to have one heck of a time trying to hit them. Got me a couple of hostages though.
MNgoldenbear
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Aim (front sight), squeeze (front sight). Hitting the poppers is not technically any more difficult than getting one nice, clean A-zone hit. BTW, if you're getting two nicely centered A-zone hits on paper, you can go faster. If you don't get at least one A per target, you're going too fast. (Best is probably two, well-spaced hits that use much of the A-zone -- fast as possible without dropping points.)
Being a hostage is a dangerous profession!
One thing about poppers that I'd ever thought about before one shooter brought it up. They'd had a match and a non-shooter was observing. They asked the non-shoooter what they thought of the match. She said it seemed very interesting, but was wondering why we were practicing to shoot children!
Guess we'd gotten so used to poppers that we didn't think of the idea that they look like very short people (kids). Pointed out that (1) a reduced size simulates a larger target at greater distance, and that (2) full size steel targets would be REALLY heavy. Observer seemed satisfied, and somewhat embarrassed.Dragongoddess, watch your front sight as you press the trigger smoothly and firmly. As you do this keep watching the front sight, if you are really and truly watching it while you press the trigger the front sight will suddenly lift off the popper and it will fall. One of the biggest things you need to learn is to watch that front sight and see it actually lift from the target. When you see it lift from the target you will know EXACTLY where that bullet went. It is also your que to move to the next target. If on paper you will see it lift and begin your second shot, press press press while recovering from recoil, then press firmly when the shot is lined up. When the sight lifts SNAP your eyes to the next target, the gun will follow, start to press press press as the gun is coming into position, then press firmly when the shot is lined up. Repeat as necessary. This is called 'seeing the sight lift' and 'trigger prep'. Both are considered by many to be advanced techniques but I disagree completely. Both are fundamentals to shooting accurately, and fundamentals to shooting IPSC. Work on these two things and you will make tremendous strides in your IPSC shooting ability.
Good for you for getting out and trying it!!!!
Good for you for getting out and trying it!!!!
dragongoddess
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Thanks for the info.The front sights on my Rock Island are very small so i've had to have a bit of white paint placed on it to see it clearly. I just need a lot of practice thats all.
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