Iran and the Problem of Evil

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Well written essay.

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The Wall Street Journal, Opinion:

Iran and the Problem of Evil

By MICHAEL LEDEEN

June 7, 2008

Ever since World War II, we have been driven by a passionate desire to understand how mass genocide, terror states and global war came about – and how we can prevent them in the future.

Above all, we have sought answers to several basic questions: Why did the West fail to see the coming of the catastrophe? Why were there so few efforts to thwart the fascist tide, and why did virtually all Western leaders, and so many Western intellectuals, treat the fascists as if they were normal political leaders, instead of the virulent revolutionaries they really were? Why did the main designated victims – the Jews – similarly fail to recognize the magnitude of their impending doom? Why was resistance so rare?
Most eventually accepted a twofold "explanation": the uniqueness of the evil, and the lack of historical precedent for it. Italy and Germany were two of the most civilized and cultured nations in the world. It was difficult to appreciate that a great evil had become paramount in the countries that had produced Kant, Beethoven, Dante and Rossini.
How could Western leaders, let alone the victims, be blamed for failing to see something that was almost totally new – systematic mass murder on a vast scale, and a threat to civilization itself? Never before had there been such an organized campaign to destroy an entire "race," and it was therefore almost impossible to see it coming, or even to recognize it as it got under way.

The failure to understand what was happening took a well-known form: a systematic refusal to view our enemies plain. Hitler's rants, whether in "Mein Kampf" or at Nazi Party rallies, were often downplayed as "politics," a way of maintaining popular support. They were rarely taken seriously as solemn promises he fully intended to fulfill. Mussolini's call for the creation of a new Italian Empire, and his later alliance with Hitler, were often downplayed as mere bluster, or even excused on the grounds that, since other European countries had overseas territories, why not Italy?

Some scholars broadened the analysis to include other evil regimes, such as Stalin's Russia, which also systematically murdered millions of people and whose ambitions similarly threatened the West. Just as with fascism, most contemporaries found it nearly impossible to believe that the Gulag Archipelago was what it was. And just as with fascism, we studied it so that the next time we would see evil early enough to prevent it from threatening us again.

By now, there is very little we do not know about such regimes, and such movements. Some of our greatest scholars have described them, analyzed the reasons for their success, and chronicled the wars we fought to defeat them. Our understanding is considerable, as is the honesty and intensity of our desire that such things must be prevented.

Yet they are with us again, and we are acting as we did in the last century. The world is simmering in the familiar rhetoric and actions of movements and regimes – from Hezbollah and al Qaeda to the Iranian Khomeinists and the Saudi Wahhabis – who swear to destroy us and others like us. Like their 20th-century predecessors, they openly proclaim their intentions, and carry them out whenever and wherever they can. Like our own 20th-century predecessors, we rarely take them seriously or act accordingly. More often than not, we downplay the consequences of their words, as if they were some Islamic or Arab version of "politics," intended for internal consumption, and designed to accomplish domestic objectives.

Clearly, the explanations we gave for our failure to act in the last century were wrong. The rise of messianic mass movements is not new, and there is very little we do not know about them. Nor is there any excuse for us to be surprised at the success of evil leaders, even in countries with long histories and great cultural and political accomplishments. We know all about that. So we need to ask the old questions again. Why are we failing to see the mounting power of evil enemies? Why do we treat them as if they were normal political phenomena, as Western leaders do when they embrace negotiations as the best course of action?

No doubt there are many reasons. One is the deep-seated belief that all people are basically the same, and all are basically good. Most human history, above all the history of the last century, points in the opposite direction. But it is unpleasant to accept the fact that many people are evil, and entire cultures, even the finest, can fall prey to evil leaders and march in lockstep to their commands. Much of contemporary Western culture is deeply committed to a belief in the goodness of all mankind; we are reluctant to abandon that reassuring article of faith. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, we prefer to pursue the path of reasonableness, even with enemies whose thoroughly unreasonable fanaticism is manifest.

This is not merely a philosophical issue, for to accept the threat to us means – short of a policy of national suicide – acting against it. As it did in the 20th century, it means war. It means that, temporarily at least, we have to make sacrifices on many fronts: in the comforts of our lives, indeed in lives lost, in the domestic focus of our passions – careers derailed and personal freedoms subjected to unpleasant and even dangerous restrictions – and the diversion of wealth from self-satisfaction to the instruments of power. All of this is painful; even the contemplation of it hurts.

Then there is anti-Semitism. Old Jew-hating texts like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," now in Farsi and Arabic, are proliferating throughout the Middle East. Calls for the destruction of the Jews appear regularly on Iranian, Egyptian, Saudi and Syrian television and are heard in European and American mosques. There is little if any condemnation from the West, and virtually no action against it, suggesting, at a minimum, a familiar Western indifference to the fate of the Jews.

Finally, there is the nature of our political system. None of the democracies adequately prepared for war before it was unleashed on them in the 1940s. None was prepared for the terror assault of the 21st century. The nature of Western politics makes it very difficult for national leaders – even those rare men and women who see what is happening and want to act – to take timely, prudent measures before war is upon them. Leaders like Winston Churchill are relegated to the opposition until the battle is unavoidable. Franklin Delano Roosevelt had to fight desperately to win Congressional approval for a national military draft a few months before Pearl Harbor.

Then, as now, the initiative lies with the enemies of the West. Even today, when we are engaged on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, there is little apparent recognition that we are under attack by a familiar sort of enemy, and great reluctance to act accordingly. This time, ignorance cannot be claimed as an excuse. If we are defeated, it will be because of failure of will, not lack of understanding. As, indeed, was almost the case with our near-defeat in the 1940s.

Mr. Ledeen, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author, most recently, of "The Iranian Time Bomb" (St. Martin's Press, 2007).
 
This time, ignorance cannot be claimed as an excuse.

First and last, history teaches us we continue to refuse to learn the obvious lessons of history. I'm sorry, but it really is that simple.

Some scholars broadened the analysis to include other evil regimes, such as Stalin's Russia, which also systematically murdered millions of people and whose ambitions similarly threatened the West. Just as with fascism, most contemporaries found it nearly impossible to believe that the Gulag Archipelago was what it was.

Sorry, but the only difference between communism and fascism is the color of the flags. They're both expressions of statism. They're both highly toxic.
 
The problem isn't that Iran is evil, it's just that our leaders insist on the US being the worlds policemen.

Throw in other issues like our national dependence on oil and our governments insistence on trying to protect Israel when we should just let them sort out their own problems and you have a recipe for a real mess.

Trying to force any country in the Middle East into accepting our form of government is a waste of time. They have their own way of doing things, their own traditions, their own religion and obviously they like their form of government because they've had the same type of government (sovereign ruler with one ethnic group dominating the others in the region or one party dictatorship) for thousands of years.

Let Iran go their own way. I'm not interesting in having members of my family die while serving in the US Military just so some of our politicians (who also just happen to own or have interests in the oil and gas industry) can get even richer by starting yet another conflict in the region.
 
"It was difficult to appreciate that a great evil had become paramount in the countries that had produced Kant"

Apart from the fact that Kant was the most evil human being in the history of man...it's not a coincidence that he was influential to the varied cast of megalomaniacs.
 
I'd say because it is war related, and as such is indirectly gun related.

great article.
 
Sorry, but the only difference between communism and fascism is the color of the flags. They're both expressions of statism. They're both highly toxic.
Worded another way - they are both government systems that suppress individual freedom and where the government claims it has the "right" to do so.

Fascism, Socialism, and Communism all have this in common. You are right - this is a very toxic concept because so many people are comfortable with a government that tells them what they should be doing.

BTW - the word "should" always raises a red flag when I hear it:
...only the police and the military should have guns.
...people shouldn't be able to....
...there should be tighter controls on...
etc.
 
Let Iran go their own way. I'm not interesting in having members of my family die while serving in the US Military just so some of our politicians (who also just happen to own or have interests in the oil and gas industry) can get even richer by starting yet another conflict in the region.

Browning, while I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with this author... The point he is trying to make is that if we let Iran be, eventually they will become a great problem as Germany and Italy did in the past.
 
The problem isn't that Iran is evil, it's just that our leaders insist on the US being the worlds policemen.

Throw in other issues like our national dependence on oil and our governments insistence on trying to protect Israel when we should just let them sort out their own problems and you have a recipe for a real mess.

Trying to force any country in the Middle East into accepting our form of government is a waste of time. They have their own way of doing things, their own traditions, their own religion and obviously they like their form of government because they've had the same type of government (sovereign ruler with one ethnic group dominating the others in the region or one party dictatorship) for thousands of years.

Let Iran go their own way. I'm not interesting in having members of my family die while serving in the US Military just so some of our politicians (who also just happen to own or have interests in the oil and gas industry) can get even richer by starting yet another conflict in the region.

The thing is, somebody's got to do it. When Hitler came out and gave his intentions of "annexing" Poland, France and England said, "You better not, we signed a deal with Poland to help them."

And then Hitler did it anyway. What did France and England do? NOTHING. Hitler kept stating what he was going to do, told not to do it, did it anyway, and there were few repercussions. It wasn't until France itself fell and it was too late that England started to seriously try to stop the madman.

The problem with psychotic megalomaniacs like Hitler, Stalin, and Nouri al-Maliki is that they won't stop when they reach their primary goals, they eventually want Hegemony. And if no one takes them seriously and keeps telling them, "Don't do that" and yet doesn't react accordingly when they DO "do that" then why should they stop?

Sure, the French, British, and even American people want peace, but there's a famous centuries old saying: "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum"

He Who Wants Peace, Prepare For War.
 
Schicklgruber knew he could get away with murdering the Jews because the Turks proved the principle with the Armenians not too long previous. It's not like the Nazis were new and different. They were archetypical, not aberrant. They just happened to be very good at what they were doing, just as Stalin was.
 
Check your history there John. I think you have a few minor errors there. :)

I agree with the point though. Each of these small madmen needs to be seriously looked at to determine if they are a long term threat to us or their neighbors.
 
I'm spouting this off the top of my head, it's been a while since I read Herman Wouk's Winds of War and War and Remembrance.

These two books are AWESOME and a must read for any history buff.
 
I agree with the point though. Each of these small madmen needs to be seriously looked at to determine if they are a long term threat to us or their neighbors.

That's the thing with Iran. They may not be an enormous threat to us right now (which can't be truly determined regardless due to their alleged support for terrorist groups), but if they attain the ability to develop nuclear weapons, I think that makes them a huge threat. While full scale war isn't necessary, I think we need to do something to stop them from progressing with their enrichment program to prevent them from carrying out their wishes with a nuclear big stick in the future. Do we really want to face them once they already have nuclear weapons?
 
cbrgator : Browning, while I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with this author... The point he is trying to make is that if we let Iran be, eventually they will become a great problem as Germany and Italy did in the past.

I know what his point is, I just disagree with his conclusion.

Even if it was certain that the Iranian government had ambitions of becoming the most powerful nation in the region (right now that's not certain at all, but just for the sake of argument say that the Iranian government had ideas of expanding their territory through war), so what?

Evil governments have existed and they've been oppressing their own populations and declaring war on neighboring countries since time began. That's not EVER going to change. The world is an evil place.

When did it become our job to police other countries? Do you see the military of other Western nations sticking their nose in others people business if the US isn't leading the charge? Doesn't happen very often does it? If the Iranian people don't like the people who run their country, then they should change their form of government. More power to the Iranian people if they want to do that.

However as far as putting American lives at stake for something that would benefit the Iranian people (from our point of view, the Iranian people might not see it that way at all), I'm completely against it. Let them sort their own problems out. Unless it concerns us or unless it affects our oil supply then it's none of our business.

We've got our fingers in too many pots overseas (that also started for obscure objectives) as it is.
 
The real threat is here at home. When the socialist get elected and steal your guns you might then understand it.

The Nazi party was a socialist government and after Hitler took control everything he did was legal under German law. As soon as you understand this you will understand why change isn't what Americans are looking for, it's justice.

jj
 
Browning said:
I know what his point is, I just disagree with his conclusion.

Yep, the first half had me nodding my head the last half had me shaking it. We can't be playing whack-a-mole with every tin-pot that comes to power. In an attempt to keep this gun-related: The antis have incorrectly identified guns as a primary component of crime in the same way this author has incorrectly identified political rhetoric as a primary component of evil. His article is really just a high-brow attempt to quash free-speech. How can we spread our ideals by abandoning our ideals? It doesn't make any sense.

Think about it this way: On a local domestic level, following his logic would lead to all kinds of egregious affronts to our freedoms and require a complete disregard of the Constitution and the BoR.

Freedom is dangerous, uncertain, unsafe, insecure, and scary. But that is the whole point of this great American experiment.
 
A nation that is openly armed can be neutralized - note the example of Russia. A nation that has an economy that can finance nuclear sites, but which cannot project global power, has a lot to lose in event of a retaliatory war so that "open" war becomes unlikely.

The danger is from nations or groups that have nothing to lose, the nations and groups we blindly label as terrorists. (Remember, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter). While blunting weapons advancement as much as we can we must also elevate these nations and people from "nothing to lose" to "something to lose". Therein lies our safety.

The argument for this path is the same as the argument for education "You think education is expensive - try paying for stupidity".

Unfortunately, this nation, and its people, prove the saying that all politics is local and so we elect leaders with an abysmal knowledge of World affairs and diplomacy.
 
More neo-con BS to further the Israel First agenda.

My idea of freedom and liberty is a SMALL government, no foreign entanglements and reversing the dismantling of the constitution that has occurred under the Bush regime.
 
The goal of Muslim extremists is the destruction of all non-believers or in their words, infidels. This is anyone who does not believe what they do. They have been pursuing this goal for thousands of years and show no signs of stopping soon.
 
Browning and I agree wholeheartedly.

John Blaze: If we are so worried about genocide and all those evils, why did we look the other way in Rwanda? Why are we looking the other way in Darfur? Why are we allowing tyranny to spread in Burma?

Sorry but we are fighting for oil in the Middle East.
 
danjet500,
Mohammed lived around 600AD. Approximately 1400 years ago.

They have been pursuing this goal for thousands of years and show no signs of stopping soon.

Bringing facts to a discussion is very similar to bringing a gun to a gunfight.
 
Unfortunately, this nation, and its people, prove the saying that all politics is local and so we elect leaders with an abysmal knowledge of World affairs and diplomacy.

...the same public that continually turns a blind eye to foreign meddling conducted in their name and on their behalf, by various governmental agencies; agencies led by un-elected bureaucrats. The public who turns a blind eye toward the interference and influence peddling conducted abroad by corporate interests; interests directed by people whose wealth supersedes any notion of loyalty to the citizens of their country of origin.

...and then, those with the blind eyes turned to all of this, find themselves buying into some false dichotomy argument about who is evil and who is good. An argument presented by shills for the aforementioned forces.

...oooooo I am strong in the light side of the force and you, you are strong in the dark side of the force...so we must be enemies.

To my understanding, Professor Ledeen has been beating the "we have got to blow up Iran drum" since the late 70's.
 
Iran isn't our problem. Get out of Iraq, get out of the ME, stop supporting Israel, stop using ME oil, and stop the warmongering rhetoric.

Not gun related. IBTL.
 
Stop being the world's policeman?

If only it were that simple. Read Alan Greenspan's latest book and you'll understand that our economy is intricately interwoven with the rest of the world. If we stand by and allow disruptions in the world - it will come back to bite us in he back side.

Yes, it is gun related, the amount of money in my pocket directly affects how many guns I can buy and how much I get to shoot them! :fire:
 
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