Iraqi Cop @ Protest. Flashing sidearm

[Spiphel Rike]

IIRC the men rescued were from the british SAS. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

 

[Gabe]

I was reading that Iraqi troops will shoot into the air during patrols as a way of coordinating their position with other patrols. It's their version of "can you hear me now".

 

[larry starling]

They should drop a MOAB on those Iraqi IDIOTS. The whole country is corrupt and full of greedy S.O.B's. all they care about is who has the biggest Goat or some other B.S....I really hate that our boys our lossing there lifes over there trying to help these ungratefull idiots.

 

[HI express]

Different

Checkman,
Different place, different culture.
My nephew is over there on his second tour. When he came back after the first tour he told me things about the people over there that the news didn't even begin to tell us about.

He said that there concept of safety (firing automatic weapons in the air in public celebration or protest or any other reason), their concept of blood debt (assasinations like you can't believe just because that person might disagree with you), lack of respect for each other (blowing up women and children just to protest), on and on...

Kind of apples and oranges, my friend. Simple brandishing in their country? Not an issue there.. just part of their culture. Not part of ours in this place and time.

 

[HI express]

Different

Checkman,
Different place, different culture.
My nephew is over there on his second tour. When he came back after the first tour he told me things about the people over there that the news didn't even begin to tell us about.

He said that there concept of safety (firing automatic weapons in the air in public celebration or protest or any other reason), their concept of blood debt (assasinations like you can't believe just because that person might disagree with you), lack of respect for each other (blowing up women and children just to protest), on and on...

Kind of apples and oranges, my friend. Simple brandishing in their country? Not an issue there.. just part of their culture. Not part of ours in this place and time.

 

[Boss Spearman]

I thought at first it was a Springfield XD. It is a G19 however.

 

[joab]

They should drop a MOAB on those Iraqi IDIOTS. The whole country is corrupt and full of greedy S.O.B's. all they care about is who has the biggest Goat or some other B.S....I really hate that our boys our lossing there lifes over there trying to help these ungratefull idiots.

we should drop MOABs on all cultures that don't meet our cultural standards of what a culture should be.

When we get done practicing on the rest of the world maybe we could form a group here that would oversee the purity of our culture amongst the different cultures within our culture

 

[jefnvk]

Now, is it possible that there was something that you couldn't see in that photo, such as the police trying to settle down something in the crowd?

With no article, and all that is visible is one officer and two or three others, I'm not so inclined to believe that he was participating is the only explination here (Although I am certainly not disbelieving it)

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

i guess if their prisoner retention method don't match ours we should be able to murder them with impunity.
That'll teach them to improve their prison system

And you'll have to link to wherever you saw that they were at someone's house. This is all I see mentioned in the original post last month

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9400104

The British commanding officer in Basra said his concern for the arrested men increased after he received information they had been handed over to “militia elements”. A decision was taken to enter the police station on Monday and a Warrior armored vehicle crashed through the perimeter wall of the jail. When it was discovered the two men were not in the jail, the men were rescued from a nearby house, he said.

Regarding your belief that their method is somehow different but equal, or that just because their methods aren't the same as ours I have no reason to comdemn their methods... give me a break, pal. Name me one normally functioning nation on earth that makes it policy to take prisoners out of jail and hand them to miltias. That makes no sense at all. And do you really think two special forces/spook guys just went out and murdered two Iraqi cops? Also, in the same article it mentions how any coalition soldiers arrested by the locals have to be turned over to the coalition forces, so the police were breaking their own laws.

Keep in mind this is a country where justice tradionally means killing or torturing anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[joab]

Maybe they heard that the Brits were coming to break them out of prison, sport

Name me one normally functioning nation on earth that makes it policy to take prisoners out of jail and hand them to miltias.

Normally operating as in a total state of war at the moment, bucko

And do you really think two special forces/spook guys just went out and murdered two Iraqi cops?

I don't dis believe it, buddy boy

Also, in the same article it mentions how any coalition soldiers arrested by the locals have to be turned over to the coalition forces, so the police were breaking their own laws.

Is that Iraqi law (I doubt it) or coalition imposed rules, chief

Keep in mind this is a country where justice tradionally means killing or torturing anyone who disagrees with you.

And America is well known to foreigners as the land where money grows on trees and we all wear six guns strapped to our side and beat our wives, sorry I ran out of demeaning little cutisisms

 

[RiverwinoIA]

joab, im not totally against your point, but that form of argument is very annoying...

MAYBE this,

I DOUBT that,

I DONT DIS BELIEVE that...

your speculation isnt any better than someone elses, regardless of the point your trying to make.

This is war afterall, just like you said. Therefore, every country has their own interests, that come first. Would you trust your super-expensively trained special ops men at the hands of some ragtag militant-related justice system? Neither would i....

 

[El Tejon]

LaEscopeta, thanks for the informative article!

 

[Moonclip]

LaEscopeta, I think there needs to be a Mexican contender in that contest too! My largely Mexican neighborhood sounded like WW3 especially on the mellinium and gunfire can be heard most every night or especially weekend!

I don't look forward to new years as the large amound of gunshots fired usually means a cut power line and no electricity for the day

 

[joab]

joab, im not totally against your point, but that form of argument is very annoying...

Then use your ignore feature

MAYBE this,

I DOUBT that,

I DONT DIS BELIEVE that...

What maybe, I doubt it did you see. I was asked a specific question which implies that SF types are beyond reproach and incapable of murder, My reply implies that I don't believe that they are

your speculation isnt any better than someone elses, regardless of the point your trying to make.

My speculation was in response to another's speculative question, His speculation is no better than mine

Would you trust your super-expensively trained special ops men at the hands of some ragtag militant-related justice system? Neither would i....

No I would not and I don't fault the Brits for their rescue operation, never said that I did.
However as much as I would want to protect my country men who I believed to have been falsely accused of a crime

I would also be as upset as the Iraqis are if justice was subverted by an orchestrated prison break authorized by the government of those that I believed to be guilty of a serious crime against my countrymen

Kind of a lets look at both sides before we MOAB anyone type of argument.

Any questions?

 

[Ridge]

LaEscpeta,why did you have to post Kentucky in that one,I mean it isn't like everybody in the U.S. try to kick us enough,I've just about had it with the Kentucky bashing.This is still part of the U.S. but after all the sh*t we've had to put up with I think we should break away.

I mean another Joke about Kentucky,why is it we get picked on so freakin' much?

I can take a joke..but give me a break,it seems to be all I hear anymore from out of staters.

Yeah I'm a native of a spot that's had more people make fun of my home state,I'm still proud to be from Kentucky.

So why don't you grow up.

 

[Moonclip]

In my opinion Kansas gets picked on a lot when someone wants to make fun of a rural,"hick" state, you will see it in movies and such and CA gets a lot of bashing, much of it unwarranted as CA absorbs a lot of the fruits and weirdos from other states, these people are not native Californians many times.

When people I know think of a "hillbilly, redneck"(no offense intended at all)area they usually think of a deep south state like Alabama or of Oklahoma for some reason, not Kentucky.

 

[Creeping Incrementalism]

joab,

Then name me one nation with an insurgency that's making an honest attempt to be just that hands over prisoners to militia. The Iraqi's had no excuse to hand the prisoners over to a militia, except to terrorize the prisoners or hide them from those they agreed to hand them over to. Rules/laws whatever, the Iraqi police broke them. It was not an honorable and upstanding thing to do. If they did not wish to obey the rules, they shouldn't have made such an agreement. If they want the protection of the British, then they have to put up with them.

If America is known as a place where husbands beat their wives, then we wouldn't have so many mail-order brides willing to marry Americans. Yes, money grows on trees because we're more productive than anyone else, and how is packing heat demeaning?

If California were as messed up as Iraq, and the British Army were here, I'd be inclined to support the British in this instance. I'd trust their SF/spooks long before I'd trust the local cops here as the situation is!

I call you pal, you call me bucko, buddy boy, AND chief, that's funny, I like that.

 

[dpesec]

That's pretty much the same philosophy the Iraqis used for shooting their antiaircraft artillery and surface to air missiles back during the invasion during '03, too.

'Something just blew up close to me...that means an aircraft is near, so I must shoot skyward.'

Very effective defense technique, heh heh. Sure looked scary from the air, though.

Hacker, the Iraqi's weren't the inventor of that. Look at Lybia and the air strikes that put Kadaffi into his shell for a while.

 

[joab]

If you read my response to Riverwino's post you will see that I have made my opinion pretty clear.

I don't fault the Brits for their rescue operation, never said that I did.
However as much as I would want to protect my country men who I believed to have been falsely accused of a crime

I would also be as upset as the Iraqis are if justice was subverted by an orchestrated prison break authorized by the government of those that I believed to be guilty of a serious crime against my countrymen

I make no judgments of their prison system because I am not qualified, and probably neither are you, to make that critique.
There are countries that refuse to extradite murderers back to the US because of our death penalty because they don't believe in that system

If America is known as a place where husbands beat their wives, then we wouldn't have so many mail-order brides willing to marry Americans. Yes, money grows on trees because we're more productive than anyone else, and how is packing heat demeaning?

Whether it is true or not, which you clearly believe that it is not, that is the reputation of Americans in some cultures overseas. And I am qualified to remark on that
And by the way could you point me towards one of those money trees.
Where did I even imply that "packing heat" was "demeaning". The point is that it is not that common and it is a perception based on ignorance.

 

[Justin]

This one's drifted pretty far off topic. If you want to put it back on topic, that's cool. Otherwise I'm happy to close it.

 

[Checkman]

Justin

I'd go ahead and close it. I never intended this thread to go in such a direction. I never even gave consideration to the possibility that it would take such a course. I just thought it was an interesting photo and a comment on the social differences that exsist in this "global" economy.