Is .223 good for coyotes?

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I bought a Rem 700PSS in .223 a while back, thinking I would use it for coyotes. I never shot it and am thinking about getting rid of it. I thought I could use an AR-15 or a .308, if I wanted to shoot coyotes.

Is there any reason for me to keep it? Does .223 do a good job on coyotes?

Thanks,
Steve
 
I don't see why it wouldn't. My dad's .22-250 has killed many a coyote and that bullet isn't traveling too much faster than the .223. I just bought a FAB-10 PRK legal .223 and go to shoot my test loads tomorrow. I too used to use my Rem 700 VS in .308 for coyotes and squirrels. Of course that did a number on them and might have been considered by some to be overkill (which I don't think there is such a thing when refering to the taking of varmints). Even when I made a bad shot on a coyote with my .308 using 110 gr. V-max and 125 gr. Speer TNT HPs, they never went further than 10 yards and stopped.

I think the .223 will do you just fine. I too thought that having an extra caliber would be just having an extra caliber, but when I can get .223 v-max for $10.60 a box and only use about 25 grs of Win 748 vs the $14 a box and 48 grs. of Win 748 for the .308, that will come to some pretty good savings for the mere taking of squirrels and coyotes.

It is up to you. If you don't use it and need the money sell it and buy another gun. If you can afford it, keep it. You can never have enough guns.
 
A .22lr will do the job if you hit the right spot. Just make sure you have enough power to kill the thing and not wound it.
 
Head shot and save the pelt.


Psst... The Roadrunner will love you for it.
 
A .223 is very, very bad for coyotes. Because properly placed, it kills them very, very dead. It's what I use and I haven't felt undergunned.

Paul
 
I think I'll keep it. Thanks for the help.

A hunter was telling me an interesting story today. He said they were hunting on a man's property that the man had complained about being overrun with coyotes. The man offered to pay them to shoot the coyotes. The hunter said he didn't have to pay them, they would just shoot them for free.

The hunter said they started out with rifles, using a tape player with a wounded rabbit sound. The coyotes started coming out, but were running across the area and they were having a hard time hitting them with the rifles. So the hunters took out their Benelli Super Black Eagles, with 3.5" shells and #4 buckshot. He said they hit about 5 coyotes and it layed them out cold.

Now I'm wanting to try both methods (rifle and shotgun).

Thanks again,
Steve
 
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A .22lr will do the job if you hit the right spot. Just make sure you have enough power to kill the thing and not wound it.

During the '70's and early '80's all I ever used was an old Remington bolt-action in .22 rimfire. In fact the laws were written so you had to choose between a rimfire or a shotgun with #4-shot or smaller while shining. I always used a rimfire to save the hide. Can't remember ever seeing one coyote not fold up after just one shot. I took at least 100 during those heavier years.

Also, the only ammo we had to choose from was whatever the local hardware store sold. It was always the inexpensive standard velocity solids.

I'm sure a modern .223 would work just fine.
 
They call that Coyote Calling, Steve. My dad is pretty darn proficient at it. We like to use a two man team using both the shotgun and the rifle. You set the call up in a bush or cover it with some cow patties or whatever you can do to disguise it. Then you place the shotgun man about 10 yards from the caller. The shotgunner's job is to lay perfectly still and not move and be well camoed. We made a pillow out of some camo material and it is best to lie on your back with your head proped up and able to look out over the call. The shotgunner does not worry about looking around, you just watch the tape cassette caller.

The rifleman will set up about 30-70 yards behind the shotgunner. Usually further than 30 yards back. The rifleman doesn't have to lie perfectly still, it is his/her job to scan the area for the coyotes that won't come running straight in. A bipod is pretty much an extremely useful tool in this situation and the rifleman should also be fully camoed out.

Usually the coyote(s) will come straight into the call. They always end up running pretty much straight at the call, sometimes circling around to get on the down wind side. This is why coyote calling pretty much depends on wind direction. If you are not calling into the wind, there is no point in calling we have found out. If they come straight into the call, the shotgunner will see them and shoot. If he/she is unable to get them all, the rifleman takes over. If the coyote is spooked and doesn't want to come all the way in, the rifleman can shoot.

Should you call a coyote in in less than say about 10 minutes, reload, and lay back down and wait a little longer. My dad has gotten as many as 4 coyotes in one 10 minute call. I have witnessed him shoot three in one call and we have often shot two in a call. The 3 I saw him take he was the shotgunner and I was rifleman. He shot one in the first 30 seconds, we lay back down and about 7 minutes later two more came in and he got both of them. Sometimes the terain is not suitable for a rifle call and we will both use shotguns. We got a really nice double on a shotgun call. We were sitting inside this juniper bush and these two coyotes came in on my dad's side. I saw him move, which means the gig is up, I turn to my left and these two coyotes are about 15 yards away. One breaks left up the hill, the other breaks right down the hill (this is all happening in about 3 seconds time). My dad shoots the up hill coyote, I shoot the down hill coyote. Both die instantly at about 12 yards or so. We didn't even stand up, we reload and wait until the 10 minute mark.

Coyote calling is a lot of fun. Do a web search on it. There are all sorts of resources about coyote calling at your disposal. Let me know if you have any other questions or do a search for coyote in the hunting forum.
 
El Rojo,

Very interesting! Is this done at night or during the day? Is any particular time of the day better? What kind of rifle did you use? What size shot and shell did the shotgun use?

Are these tape players a special type, made for this? It seems like a regular tape player wouldn't have the volume/clarity. How loud do you play the tape? Where can they be bought?

Sorry for all the questions - my interest is just piqued.

Thanks!
Steve
 
Usually the hour before dusk is the best time for luring in the most coyotes. I've always assumed that the coyotes can't resist a good snack before night fall. However, I have had almost the same luck drawing them in the very early mornings.

I've never used a tape player. Interesting idea. I have a call made by a friend. Blow on it for a few minutes, catch my breath for a minute or two. It hardly ever takes more then fifteen minutes.

It does seem that the coyotes are getting smarter though. Make sure there are no vehicles around for them to see. They seem to know it's a trap if they see a vehicle anywhere in the distance.

223 works well.
 
The .223 is GREAT for coyotes. Try the Hornady 55 grain V-Max.
I prefer handguns for calling, second choice would be an AR15. The only time I use a scoped rifle would be for night time spotlighting. However, conditions vary and many do hunt coyotes at fairly long range.

To me, hunting coyotes in heavy brush with a call is my idea of a good time.
 
Ok, lets see if I can do this and not be late for work.

Is this done at night or during the day?
Daytime. Not legal at night here, but it is more than possible I would imagine.

Is any particular time of the day better?
I don't find the time of the day makes a huge difference, it is more dependent on weather. Cold, cloudy days seem to be better than hot sunny days. We start at first light and stop at last light. The early morning and late evening might get more coyotes, but they come at all times.

What kind of rifle did you use?
I use a Remington VS in .308 with 125 gr. Speer TNT Hollow Points. My dad uses a Remington VS in .22-250 with 55 gr. V-max. I just built a FAB-10 20" .223 (AR-15) and will probably use that with 55 gr. V-max too.

What size shot and shell did the shotgun use?
My dad has custom coyote reloads. I think they are #4 buck buffered with #2 sized shot out of a 2 3/4" shell. Basically if they are coming head on, they are dead. If they turn around and bail, the #4 can break a leg and do serious enough damage to end the coyote's existence.

Are these tape players a special type, made for this? It seems like a regular tape player wouldn't have the volume/clarity. How loud do you play the tape? Where can they be bought?
We use a Johnny Stewart coyote calling setup. Let me find some links for you. http://www.johnnystewart.com/ At the top you will see a "view our products". Go check it out. My dad has a cassette setup with a pretty nifty camo bag. I don't know if that one is Johnny Stewart. I know he has been using it for probably over 10 years.

We just set the call on volume level 7 or 8 and let it ride. Some people like to adjust it, we find that doesn't really matter too much.

There is a dealer locator on the website.

I would often rather go coyote calling than many other forms of hunting. It is exciting and you don't have to clean a lot of game. We have had bobcats sneak in on us, cows come a running, elk bugle at us, and all sorts of interesting things happen when you go calling. I highly recommend it.
 
I also use the Johnney Stewart call. One thing we did that seems to have been a good idea is to put a cord of about 50 feet on the speaker. The coyote comes to the speaker. The farther away the speaker is from you, the less likely the coyote will see you or scent you since it's attention is on the speaker. You can also use this to channel the coyotes into a "kill" zone by placing the speaker in a location that makes for an easier shot. If I had it to do over again, I would get a call that played CDs and one that had remote control. I personally don't like the controls on the Johnney Stewart call. The buttons make noise and if you don't cleanly press the button, the tape drags for a second.
As I mentioned previously, we hunt in heavy cover. This way, you arn't see as easily and of course you also don't see the coyote until it is right on top of you. The action is fast and furious. Great for handgun hunting. I often use my CCW - Colt Officers Model.
I have called at night. It is very productive. The problem I have is that a lot of the time we get bobcats instead of coyotes. I personally don't want to shoot bobcats, but have done so without realizing what it was until it was too late. One trick that we have used is to drive along a dirt road (keep in mind this is in Nevada where you can drive on a dirt road for 100 miles and not see another person or house), stop and sit the caller in the road, then drive on. Wait 10 minutes and then come back. This night hunting is where I use a scoped rifle. Obviously you pretty much can't see iron sights at light. And the shots are always much further away than when we call during the day in heavy cover. A lot of times all you see is a pair of eyes.
Bobcats seem to be overwhelmed with curiosity. I have had bobcats come right into the truck at night with two of us standing there talking, both doors open, the dome light on and the engine running.


Kind of off topic, but something that I thought was cool. I was out hunting at night with a guy I worked with. We were in the mountains and saw about six deer standing on the hillside. My buddy said, watch this; he put a fawn in distress tape in his car stereo and shut off the headlights. He played the tape for a couple minutes and then turned on the headlights. The deer were all around the truck when the lights came on, sniffing at the windows. :cool:
Another thing that is very cool about predator calling is that frequently, birds of prey come into the tape and circle you at close range.

One day we were doing some calling and I got a coyote right off the bat with my Officers Model. We decided to change locations. I decided to view the whole thing from a distance to see how it would unfold. I sat up on top of a large hill about 200 yards from where my buddy set up with the caller. He turned on the caller and I spotted a coyote coming across the desert at full speed from miles away. It ran at full speed to him. It took him perhaps 10 minutes to cover the ground from where I first spotted him, and he was running then; who knows how far away he was was he heard the call initially. He ended up spooking: he ran right by my buddy at full speed and kept right on going.
 
Hey Red,

Where are you hunting Coyotes in PRK ? public or private land ? if private, is it available for lease ? I have a couple of rifles that would be great for testing on those little mongrels
 
Wow, guys! This sounds like a blast. I can't wait to try it!

Does anyone have anymore coyote stories?

Steve
 
Sorry Tojo, it is private land by inviation only. Pretty much most of the good hunting depends on who you know and if you are like family or not.

Hmmmm, more coyote stories? I think that same day my dad got a triple while I watched, we were calling in a spot on the side of this little hill and some rocks. I saw a coyote one ridge over heading our way. I was on my dad's right and he was on the right. As I sat and focused on where I knew this coyote was going to pop up about 30-40 yards away, I see something in my peripherial (forget spelling, this is a huntin story) vision on my left. I sort of am ignoring it because I know this coyote is coming straight ahead and my dad is supposed to be watching that direction (again when shotgun calling, the head is not to be moved except about a quarter inch a second, but not even then). It takes me a full couple seconds to realize, there is something on my left moving around. I am still focusing straight ahead. Pretty soon it hits me, it has to be a stinking coyote! This is enough justification to move your head, I turn my head and there is this coyote about 10 yards away right next to us. He is so close I miss on my first shot, then my dad and I shoot at about the same time and hammer him as he is trying to get the heck out of there realizing that the rocks just came alive. We reload super quick and lay back down. I am looking forward again and see the other coyote heading the other direction one ridge away. It was pretty funny because my dad and I both got tunnel vision seeing this coyote coming a ways off and he didn't notice a coyote that almost ran right over us.

Another fun call was in the fog. Earlier in the day we were shotgun calling in the fog and I heard and saw movement 90 degrees right. I turn my head to see this coyote running right at me, but looking back to his left towards the call. I had just enough time to turn and get the gun pointed at him and then he realized the bush just came alive. He had this quizzical cocked head dog look and I could pretty much read his last thought as he was about 14 of my 5'7" strides away. He was thinking, "What in the hell is this?" Bang. On those calls you don't get time to get excited, it just happens like that.

Anyway, later on same foggy day, I am scanning out infront of me, sort of in la la land. The visibility can't be more than 100 yards. Suddenly I realize, about 60 yards away is a coyote looking around. Just like that he was there. He was a cautious one so I had time to watch him slowly come in. That is where you heart is going a hundred miles an hour, holding deadly still, waiting for this coyote to get in range of the 12 gauge. He finally gets in range and I shoot him twice, he rolls over on his back and starts thrashing about, suddenly he goes right side up and I shoot my last shot. He takes off! I get in one more shell and shoot him one more time, but he is gone. I watch him run out of view. He probably went off and died, but sometimes that is the way it goes. We have shot them with the rifle to have em run over a nearby hill. You walk 50 yards over the hill and their they are deader than a door nail.

Coyote calling is some of the most fun you can have out of the bedroom.
 
Coyote Stories

This was a good one, if you were there.

The guy I normally hunt coyotes with was calling by himself. His attention was focused off to the right. After a long time he turned his head and there were two coyotes standing right next to him; one was actually sniffing his pant leg.
His AR15 took care of that.
 
Good stories.

By the way, when hunting coyotes, do magazine limits still apply? If using an AR-15, can you use a 20 round mag or are you limited to 5 round mags?

Thanks,
Steve
 
Do you all mind if I chip in with a second hand coyote story?

A friend of mind took a trip to OK one summer to hang out at a friends family ranch. While out wondering the property with one of the friends they made the cardinal mistake of staying outdoors within one hour of dark. He said they were out in the back pasture a little ways from the woods when all of a sudden the treeline in front of them came alive with coyote eyes, hundreds of them. Fortunately they were both armed with long guns and they made a fighting retreat to the house. I am given to understand it was a close call though.

Before the family sold the property they were planning on getting hold of some semi-autos and as many 30 round magazines as possible, then renting a dump truck or something else similar that would give them the advantage of high/mobile ground. Then take a bunch of their friends out to "take care of" the coyote problem.

Apparently in the mid-90's that part of OK was seriously overrun to the point that starvation was making the coyotes super aggressive towards humans.

My buddy posts on THR, I will try to get him to chime in with more details.
 
In Nevada, coyotes are classified as varmints. You can hunt them anytime, anywhere, with anything as long as there is no local law against what you are doing. I think for example, White Pine County has an ordinance
against hunting at night, but the rest of the state has no problem with it. Magazine size doesn't matter, you could hunt them with a belt fed machine gun as far as the state is concerned.
Same with jackrabbits.
By the way, I have actually called the NDOW and asked them a lot of specific questions; this isn't just speculation on my part.
 
Check with your local county as well, some years the county will actually pay a bounty for each coyote you bring in. Usually when the population gets big and too many sheep start getting eaten. :) I've hunted coyotes with bountys paid in Vernal and Millard County Utah. So you get to hunt, have fun, and get PAID. How cool is that?
 
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