Is Alliant Reloder 7 the same as AA #7?

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I called the gun store and they said it was the same powder. Has me wondering as the container I purchased says it is "smokeless small rifle powder".

I'm trying to load 9mm Luger with it. The Hornady 6th addition calls for AA #7.

Just wondering if it is the same powder or do I have something completely different?

Thanks for the help!
Joe's
 
Thanks for the info Lloyd. That is exactly why I asked the question. Now to see if they'll take the unopened containers back. I bought two.

BTW, what caliber is the Reloder #7 used for? .223 REM?

Thanks,
Joe's
 
RL-7 can be used for light 223 bullets, but it shines in smaller cases, especially 221 Fireball.
 
The Guy at the Gun store should get an earful. This kind of misinformation could get someone killed.

Loading Reloader #7 into a 9mm will not work and may not do any damage to the pistol or the pistol shooter.

On the other hand, loading AA#7 into a rifle case using Reloader #7 data will surely Blow the rifle to pieces.

This guy at the gun store is an Idiot. If he is the owner, shop elsewhere from now on . If he is just an employee, you should bring this to the attention of the Owner before this idiot gets someone hurt or killed.

Bring this with you when you talk to him.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/reloder7.aspx

http://www.accuratepowder.com/products/handgun/?view=6&product=No7
 
+1 to everything Steve stated about the individual in the gun shop. These two powders are for completely different applications. I would definitely let the owner of the gun shop know about this.
 
I would like to add one more thing here Joe's.

In the future, always remember this.

NO powder of different manufacturers with same name/number is the same powder. None.

The 4350's are not the same, the 4198's are not the same, the 110's are not the same, the #7 are not the same etc.etc.etc.
 
OP, I recommend you put aside all your reloading equipment and supplies and read a quality reloading manual cover-to-cover. And do not use gunshop employees for reloading advice unless you personally know they're proficient (and even then seek confirmation of anything they tell you).

As far as complaining to the gunshop, I guess you could, but as a reloader you are ultimately responsible for what you do.
 
Boy, back in the day you could really trust folks at the counter, probably because they had worked there for umpteen years. Not so anymore. Especially with handloading it seems..it's kind of the shadowy area, waaay back in the back corner of some of these gun stores, a mystery to the counter folks. Not that that stops them from disseminating misinformation.
 
Thanks to everone for their advice!!!!

To gwalchmai specifically: If you had read post #3 you would have seen this is the reason I asked about it here on The High Road. Your comment "(and even then seek confirmation of anything they tell you)." , is exactly the reason I am asking here. Not very HR.

Thanks to all,
Joe's
 
BTW,
Congratulations Potato Head, you've reached 4,800. Keep it going.

Joe's
 
Joe's said:
Thanks for the info Lloyd. That is exactly why I asked the question. Now to see if they'll take the unopened containers back. I bought two.

BTW, what caliber is the Reloder #7 used for? .223 REM?

Thanks,
Joe's
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It's a great powder for 6.8 SPC and lightweight bullets of 95 grains or less.
 
Joe's, If you load for the 45-70 RL-7 will do a good job there too. If not bring it back and see if you can get AA#7 or even AA#5 which is also good in the 9mm.

I have to agree the gunshop guy was very wrong to give you that information...
 
I can't count the number of times, in which, if I would have followed the advice and direction of the guy behind the counter, I would have most certainly experienced a potentially deadly situation.

Thank the Lord you asked before proceeding.

Always use published data, and not the advice, or data of an unknown source.

That said, Alliant will send you their reloading data at no charge, just go online and fill out the form. Most other reloading data is available online and can also be printed out. Speer data however is not always as easily obtained, though they have always provided data via e-mail when asked, they don't like putting it on the net.

Buy at least a couple good instructional reloading books, Speer and Lyman 49th are great, if you don't already have at least a couple.

GS
 
JOE'S, you did right to ask here, before attempting any reloading. Sitting down & reading a reloading manual (or 2) cover-to-cover would likely have brought to light that Rel-7 & AA#7 aren't interchangeable. It's somewhat LESS likely that all that reading would've clearly illustrated that a rifle cartridge filled w/pistol powder potentially converts said rifle to a grenade. The right folks were quick to point it out to you here, which likely saved you an expensive lesson. Good move!

+1 on what Steve4102 said early on.

Last thing: I've tried reloading 9x19mm with powders fast-burning as Bull'sEye (Very fast), & slow-burning as BlueDot (slow but not SLOWEST). I got best results from powders slower than W231 but not slower than Alliant Herco (1 of my favorites for 9x19mm). Alliant Unique, Power Pistol or BE-86 should give good results, as will Hodgdon Universal & AA#5 (faster-burning than AA #7, quite versatile & meters well).

Many shooters DO use BLueDot and AA#7 for 9x19mm, with good results, but they know how to do something that I don't. MY results with them were okay, but not terrific.

Best Wishes.
 
Even though the gun shop guy gave you very bad info, I doubt they will let you return it. Probably hit you with a "no return on ammo or powder speech"

Definitely talk to the OWNER though!
 
Kosh's experience near same as mine.
I'll add, that best CAST bullet powder for 9mm is Hod. LongShot. Excellent velocities (high) and superb accuracy.
I might go load some RL-7 in a 9mm to see if it sticks the bullet in the barrel.
Might be good for some "giggles"...

BTW; RL-7 is also excellent in the .30/30 and such with cast bullets and you can use the same data as for jacketed bullets. This and the .45/70 is why I keep some on hand and is what keeps it in the supply chain.

I usd to use copious amounts of AA#7 when I was shooting/hunting with a S&W 1006 in 10mm back in the early '90's. Before AA#9 and the Glock M20 came into existence, AA#7 was the top powder for the 10mm. I've never gotten around to using it much in the 9mm as my S&W PPC-9's prefer 115-124gr bullets.
AA#7 is best in the 9mm with 147gr bullets.

edited to add: Glock M20 and #9 ??? The Hod. max load for #7 in the 10mm was reduced 15% after the M20 was introduced. I fired 3-rd's of my 10mm through a M20. Two of the three blew out at the case head where M20 chamber didn't support the case head....
Use OLD DATA at your peril !!!
 
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Because of the powder shortage, I've built me a complete list of every powder I've seen one of my load books or the powder websites for the caliber's I own, 9mm, 38spl and 357mag for my bullet type 124gr copper plated, no where did I see reloader #7.

I did a search in the Western Powders reloader manual, it's not in there for a 9mm.

It's hard to believe someone would give mis-information at a gunshop like that. Like others said, go back for an exchange, and if the guy owns the place, find a new place. If it's an employee, he needs to be canned. That was extremely dangerous information he passed on.
 
Joe's said:
Thanks to everone for their advice!!!!

To gwalchmai specifically: If you had read post #3 you would have seen this is the reason I asked about it here on The High Road. Your comment "(and even then seek confirmation of anything they tell you)." , is exactly the reason I am asking here. Not very HR.

Thanks to all,
Joe's
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It's pretty HR if it keeps you from blowing something up. ;)
 
Very Bad info from Gunstore

Sorry to hear they gave you really bad info. Really glad you double checked.
Reloader 7 rifle powder in pistol no idea what would have happened but probably no kaboom, AA#7 in rifle KABOOM very very very likely.
(never tried it to see if it will kaboom so I will not state it as a fact, but logically it would be very bad to say the least, fatal at worst)

[Quickload data on resulting pressure would be interesting]

The only = I have heard about are
Hodgdon HP38=Winchester 231
Alliant Promo=Red Dot (by weight so not really = but same data)
Some Hodgdon powders made by ADI have ADI equals. (see Hodgdon MSDSs), but you don't see ADI powders in the US as ADI brand.
 
Dudedog said:
The only = I have heard about are
Hodgdon HP38=Winchester 231
Alliant Promo=Red Dot (by weight so not really = but same data)
Some Hodgdon powders made by ADI have ADI equals. (see Hodgdon MSDSs), but you don't see ADI powders in the US as ADI brand.
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Fact, not fiction:
W231 = HP-38
W296 = H110
W540 = HS-6
W571 = HS-7 (both discontinued)
W760 = H414
WAP = Silhouette
AA4100 = Enforcer
 
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