Is it possibe.... O3-A3 Magazine Conversion

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I've got a sporterized O3-A3, OK, now all you folks that like original military arms, don't knock this. It hasn't been buba'ized all that bad. Other than the stock has been cut at the forend just forward of the barrel band. But the top forward wood is installed. Timney trigger, B-Square scope mount and Leupold scope. No receiver machining. Front sight intact. Still green parked. Glass bedded action. Free floated barrel. While not a tack driver, this rifle that is said that "grandpa brought it back", it shoot's nearly MOA with hand loads. I have all of the original parts for it too.

One thing I would really like is to replace the floor plate and convert this rifle to accept a Magazine like a Browning or Remington.

Has anyone seen a non-gunsmith required kit to do this? Does anyone know of any sort of kit like this?

Is there also a Magazine conversion available for a Mauser 98 custom rifle?

How about for a Ruger 77?

-Steve
 
"...hasn't been buba'ized..." Yes it has.
"...not a tack driver..." Pity. The guy spent all that money too. I'd work up a load and see what it'll do. Depends on how good the barrel is though. They guy may have been trying to make a tack driver with a mediocre barrel.
I've never seen any mag conversions for either rifle. Both would take some serious redesigning to use a detachable mag.
 
Sunray's right. If the forend has been cut at the barrel band...

then the front handguard has been, too. Otherwise it would look darned goofy with wood on top all the way to the bayonet lug area near the muzzle and none underneath.

Without some tricks fabricated by a custom gunsmith, there are no detachable mag conversions out there for the Springfield 1903 or 1903A3. (They're different, one has a milled triggerguard with removable floorplate, one's stamped and all one piece)

I'd suggest selling that 1903A3 to somebody who'll do the little bit of work to restore it back to USGI condition (I have a new-in-wrap USGI barrel!), then take the money and buy a commercial Remington 700 DBM variant or similar if that detachable box mag means so much. ;)
 
The advantage is it's use against the zombie hoard!!!

I really see no benefit to a detachable mag on a bolt gun if that gun can be loaded with stripper clips. If it cannot be loaded with stripper clips then there would be some benefit to having a detachable magazine. You could have the best of both and get an Enfield, 10 rounds and stripper fed. Nice zombie killer. :)

Besides the magazine sticking down makes it look 'cooler'.
 
I've been apprehensive to reply to my own post...

First, I didn't appreciate getting flamed for having my grand dad's war momento in a sporterized state. In fact, he did the stock cut more than 40 years ago. There was a split in the stock, so I modified it just a bit more and refinished it. It is sanded with 2000gt paper then buffed with fine steel wool. Each layer of Linseed oil is also buffed with fine steel wool. Then I added the scope mount. Glass bedded it. And some years ago I installed the Timney trigger.

From Sunray:
"...hasn't been buba'ized..." Yes it has.
"...not a tack driver..." Pity. The guy spent all that money too. I'd work up a load and see what it'll do.
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Well, Sunray, until now I've respected many of your posts, as being a source of knowledge here on THR. Tell ya what, Stay up in Canada. You don't have my respect down in the states.. As for spending money. Nope, Not on the rifle. It was handed down to me. I've only spent nominal funds on the scope, mount and trigger. To correct one thing, It has an S&K mount. I have worked up some good hunting loads, and while I don't feel it's a tack driver, it's quite accurate enough for hunting deer and bear. -Or what ever else I want to aim at. 2.5" groups at 200yds from a bench on a good day. I've been reloading for this rifle for more than 25 years. I think I know what it'll do.

From GEWEHR:
"then the front handguard has been, too. Otherwise it would look darned goofy with wood on top all the way to the bayonet lug area near the muzzle and none underneath.

Without some tricks fabricated by a custom gunsmith, there are no detachable mag conversions out there

"I'd suggest selling that 1903A3' 'then take the money and buy a commercial Remington 700 DBM variant or similar if that detachable box mag means so much.'
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How dare you ever suggest that someone sell a family herloom!!! Look at the photo below. I don't think it looks all that goofy. Sorta like a scout rifle? As for a detachable mag. It's a want. Maybe it's not available for the 03-A3. But the Mauser has an option from Numrich Gun Parts. A friend is building a custom Mauser in .358 Norma, and he's very interested in a detachable magazine. http://cgi.ebay.com/Mauser-98-Long-Action-3-Round-Detachable-Magazine_W0QQitemZ320044592757QQihZ011QQcategoryZ73953QQcmdZViewItem
If something like a different floor plate/trigger guard that accepts a detachable magazine like this can be made for a Mauser, then I had hope that there was an option for a Springfield. Numrich says no.

I would even be interested in a hinged floor plate for the 03-A3. It is one of my primary hunting rifles. No matter what it's Military herritage. Grand dad and my uncles hunted with this rifle for many years after the war. I know it's taken Bear, Deer and Elk before me. I've taken Bear and Deer with it.

Other responses mention stipper clips. Not an option with a scope installed. -Please read and comprehend the initial post.

Now, why do I want one? Gee, It's easier to load and unload when hunting. Duh... It's just a convenience feature. One I asked about that doesn't require machine work to the rifle. My rifle is still completely restorable to it's original design. At this point I don't choose to do that. -All I need is two pieces of original wood. I surely won't be buying a Remington. Maybe a Browning, A Ruger No.1 or a TC is in my future.

Remember folks, when someone asks a question about a part or feature, Often, readers and writers here on THR value the technical experience of other members. And that's what we're looking for. You might want to keep your opinions to yourself though.

Moderators, please close this thread. I've said my piece in response. I don't expect this to continue. Those offended can PM me if they so desire.

-Steve
 

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Sorry, but a hacksaw and tapped scope mount is the fastest way to turn a $650 collectible rifle into a $250 junker.
 
Nice looking, useful, rifle Jack. I'd kinda like one like it. Particularly if it was from my Family's history.
 
From DnPRK:

"Sorry, but a hacksaw and tapped scope mount is the fastest way to turn a $650 collectible rifle into a $250 junker."

It's a family herloom. No amount of money could get it from me. I don't own it for it's monetary value. My boys know its heritage. I have modified it to be more functional. As far as I know, stocks are available from time to time from CMP and other sources. And if you read the posts, the scope mount did not require machining/tapping to mount. No machining has been performed on this rifle. The original stock was split. Even in stock form, my local club doesn't recognise it for Highpower shoots. Of the bazillians of these that were manufactured, The M1 Garand seems to get all the focus.

-Thank you GreyMauser.

-Steve
 
Don't feel bad, I have a Sportsterized Remington '03 (1942). It was properly (read NON-Bubba'd) done in the late 40's/early 50's with a replacement barrel and stock. It was also drilled for scope, which is a swing away design. I bought it cheap and tried to sell it for cheap, with no takers. The pitted barrel scared everyone off. I took it to the range and shot it, and lets just say it is not for sale! Darn things a tack driver with factory Remington ammo!!
I agree with you, keep it and enjoy. If you want to mod it for a mag, buy another rifle. Just keep the '03 and shoot it for fun.
 
Lets get off the high horses for a minute. This gun was purchased when the things were a dime a dozen, Sporterizing them was not uncommon and there were plenty more where it came from if you wanted to do something different. Nobody spent $650 on that rifle and anybody who would was a damn fool. Read the D#%n Post before you go ripping somebody. I for one am sick and tired of people talking down to those of us with "Bubba'd" Rifles. From the pictures it looks as though this guys grandfather was careful and competent at the changes he made. It does not look "Hacked" on. My father was a Jouneyman machinist he did plenty of work on 03's when they were plentyful and too cheap to be considered a real sporting arm by most of the gun snobs here today.
If you don't have an answer to his question keep you mouth shut.:cuss:
 
If it was in stock form it would indeed be legal for matches.

But only the John C. Garand series of matches, and the newly-classified Springfield matches. No scope, and it has to be in as-issued configuration. It would take me all of a New York minute to get a replacement stock on that 1903 and put it back to service condition so I could clean out the X-rings in front of the Garand guys, been there, done that, got the trophies. Replacement wood's not that hard to find, I've already restored several butchered Springfields.

The 1903 is unfortunately too old to compete in the standard High Power Service Rifle matches, where even the M14/M1A is having a tough time competing against the M16/AR-15 service rifles.

Heirlooms are just one aspect, and even the most horribly Bubba'ed warhorse of a rifle will still be considered a heirloom by the owner because his grandpappy was the one who felt the need to "improve" it. That's nice, really it is.


However, I found a "heirloom" Springfield 1903A4 sniper with proper serial numbers that had the barrel and stock cut down, with a Tasco mounted via see-under rings so that the bolt would clear. Bubba did such a wonderful job, the rasp marks were still visible on the new barrel crown after the hacksaw did the dirty deed, I kept it as a jack handle. Guess it was just plain silly for me to spend several years restoring that "heirloom" back to this original WWII sniper, nicht wahr?

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Yeah, I'm on my high horse, and I have a right to be. For every joker who feels the need to take hacksaw to rifle, I have yet another donor gun I can restore back to original, and teach younger generations about the ever-dwindling military historical weapons. Now if you'll excuse my, I've got a Bubba'ed 1898 Krag project that I'm nearing restoration on...

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about freedom in this country. We have the freedom to speak our minds on an internet gun forum, as long as we abide by the rules and skip the personal attacks. (Hint, hint, MDig!) Folks still have the freedom to modify personal property, including fine old milsurp rifles. What they don't have the right to do, however, is call themselves gunsmiths simply because they own a hacksaw or Dremel tool. :scrutiny:

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