Is reloading really worth it

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So are you saying you agree with leadcounsel and everybody that reloads has to figure the cost of their time in the price of their reloads and if they don't they are lying?
Yes, I think he's absolutely right that your time is an opportunity cost. Touting your savings that are calculated from the bare cost of components does not accurately reflect what you're saving. If it did, you would gladly sell me all your hard made reloads for only what it cost you in components plus a penny more. Sound like a good deal?

But I think he's absolutely wrong to equate your time spent reloading to what you earn at your job. Unless your job is, in fact, pulling a lever while in your underwear, anytime of the day or night when the whim strikes you, while not answering to anyone but yourself.
 
Yes, I think he's absolutely right that your time is an opportunity cost. Touting your savings that are calculated from the bare cost of components does not accurately reflect what you're saving. If it did, you would gladly sell me all your hard made reloads for only what it cost you in components plus a penny more. Sound like a good deal?

But I think he's absolutely wrong to equate your time spent reloading to what you earn at your job. Unless your job is, in fact, pulling a lever while in your underwear, anytime of the day or night when the whim strikes you, while not answering to anyone but yourself.


You must have missed something, we are talking about reloading for our self not for others.

I don't get paid to sit here and talk to everybody here just like I'm not losing money by spending time reloading. I have to say I feel honored that you would lose money to take the time to sit here and talk to us, I'm curious how much money are you losing taking the time to sit here and tell us we are wrong not to include our time.
 
If I may, I will use underwear as an example of how there is opportunity cost in every decision we make. This is going to be a bit weird.

You can wash your underwear, or you can buy new underwear for every time you change. Washing underwear takes a little detergent, water, time, and some amount of equipment. The detergent can be cheap or expensive, it can be used with bleach, stain remover, fragrances, stain blockers, etc. You can use liquid, powder, both. You can use an automated machine or hand wash. You can use a washboard, your sink, high efficiency models, a vintage machine held in your family for a generation or more, etc. You can use a dryer, clothesline, shower curtain rod, drying rack, or something else. You can spend a lot or a little money to wash underwear. You can spend a lot or a little time doing it. Do you enjoy washing underwear? Do you enjoy wearing clean underwear? Those two answers do not have to be the same, and the answer to one does not determine the answer to the other.

You may not have the money for a washing machine. Maybe you hate putting quarters in at the laundromat. You may be allergic to detergents. Perhaps you are a germophobe. Who knows. Anyway, you may not want to wash your underwear. Depending on the reason, you may just buy new underwear all the time. Maybe you try to buy the cheapest underwear you can for average days. Maybe you stretch your dollar by not changing your underwear as often. Maybe you air it out sometimes. Maybe you reserve your 'premium' underwear of fine silk and colorful prints for occasions where the quality of your underwear is going to matter most. Or maybe you wear the premium undies all the time because you never know when that time will be. You can spend a little on underwear, or you can spend a lot on underwear. Your motivations, what you enjoy about underwear, and your situation will influence this.

Maybe some people go looking through refuse or at thrift shops for underwear because they are comfortable with laundering it and get good results. Maybe some people don't like the idea of working on reusing something when there are cheaper alternatives, even though the cheaper alternatives are not better and they are limiting their options.

How often you go to the range, how much you shoot at the range, why you shoot, how much you like shooting, what calibers you shoot, what type of loads you shoot, what firearms you shoot with, the availability of these rounds on the retail market, the average price, the performance in your firearms, the desired results when pulling the trigger - a whole lot influences your choice to reload while you are on the range. Off the range, the amount of free time you have, the amount of working space you have, the attitudes of those you live with, if any, the disposable income you have, the price of components, the type of reloading equipment you are comfortable with, and plenty more also can affect your choices and actions.

Do you enjoy reloading as much as doing laundry? Do you care about the kind of rounds you shoot or the kind of underwear you have on? If you go commando, then please excuse the entirety of this post.
 
I can't believe that this discussion has taken this many pages of "yes it is" and "no its not" about if it saves money.

Yes, we know time is money.

Yes there is opportunity cost in reloading.

For lots of folks it is worth their time to spend less money than buying factory ammo (and getting the other associated benefits of loading your own). Every person needs to assess for themselves if it is 'worth it'. For everyone who says 'yes', they're right. For everyone who says 'no', they're also right.

For someone who wants to get into reloading, they have to assess the value of their time and effort.

What's so difficult to understand about that?
 
^ yes, true. We all know what we're talking about. I'm just trying to close the gap between the one extreme and the other. Futile? Maybe. But I enjoy it, so it's worth my time. :)
You must have missed something, we are talking about reloading for our self not for others.
I realize this. But Leadcouncil is right. Even if you load only for yourself, if you sit down and say you save X amount of money every year by reloading as a justification, you're not looking at the whole picture. We can all agree that if you saved 1 cent a year for 10,000 hrs of reloading, that yes. You saved 1 cent. But it wasn't strictly worth the time and effort.... unless it made you happy or otherwise prevented you from losing a lot more money on other things.

I don't get paid to sit here and talk to everybody here just like I'm not losing money by spending time reloading. I have to say I feel honored that you would lose money to take the time to sit here and talk to us, I'm curious how much money are you losing taking the time to sit here and tell us we are wrong not to include our time.
No one says you're losing money by reloading. Just that your time might be better spent. For some people that's true. For others it's not.

If your son plays WOW 80 hrs a week with nothing to show for it, you're not mad because it's costing you 14.95 a month.
 
I realize this. But Leadcouncil is right. Even if you load only for yourself, if you sit down and say you save X amount of money every year by reloading as a justification, you're not looking at the whole picture. We can all agree that if you saved 1 cent a year for 10,000 hrs of reloading, that yes. You saved 1 cent. But it wasn't strictly worth the time and effort.... unless it made you happy or otherwise prevented you from losing a lot more money on other things.

Sorry I just don't see it so I guess we will have to agree to disagree. The way I look at it is I get all of my remodel projects done, I also make a good wage and don't want to work more, my wife and I do everything we want to do together, I still have time to play golf and shoot all I want so I reload in my free time. My free time is the time I would spend on the computer, watching TV or that type of activity. I don't see where getting another job or doing side work to buy factory ammo instead of reloading would be an advantage or figuring what my time is worth to reload instead of watch TV. I would bet it's safe to say you and lead don't figure what your time is worth while you are watching TV.
 
we will have to agree to disagree
No. I agree with you both. It's like like watching two people argue whether the glass is half full or half empty but have no clue they're saying the same thing. :evil:
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