Is reloading really worth it

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I load some expensive to shoot and hard to find calibers, plus I enjoy working up loads that shoot far better then any factory ammo I can find (not to mention more powerful), so yes to me handloading really is worth it and then some. If all you want is a big boom on the cheap go buy a Mosin and load up on all the crappy corrosive mil-surp 7.62x54r you can get your hands on, but to me that seems silly. Oh and BTW I make premium grade hunting ammo for about half the cost of el-chepo powerpoints.
 
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I've done the math several times, and am not convinced it's more economical to reload
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I wasn't a math major. Only arithmetic is needed in the reloading hobby.
I have done and continue to do reloading for range,competition pistol shooting and SD loads. When younger and still working, I bought all my ammunition.
You cannot buy my competition loads, I shot whatever was available that I could afford. There were times when ammo was simply not available.

I'm now 66 and only shoot about 250-300 pistol rds/week avg in two sessions/week. The cost is less than 50% of commercial "NON-Junk" ammo.

Commercial SD ammo now costs $1:00 PER SHOT for quality pistol ammo. = fact. Shoot 50rds in practice and the cost is $50 or more. My SD loads using the same quality bulletsand speedsthe commercial companies do, is 27.5 cents per shot. Using arithmetic, That's $13.75 for 50 rds instead of $50 for commercial ammo.

These are "facts" not math.
Does this mean I'm saving money? YES, if my goal is to shoot what I want to shoot.

Of course, I could cut my shooting by 60%, buy commercial ammo and "SAVE MONEY". Since time = money, the time I'll also save would let me work more and make more money. What a great trade-off.

Let's change your math formula TIME=MONEY to WORK = MONEY to BUY TIME for enjoyment and relaxation.
I never did like "THE NEW MATH".
 
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Gosh, by all the handloaders logic here, that time is free, maybe we all should sell our cars.

Heck, a vehicle is the 1st or 2nd largest investment of funds for most folks.

Sell it - no more financing, payments, repair costs, insurance or gas. Just walk to work. It's free! And good exercise.

People are demonizing me because they refuse to acknowledge that they aren't "saving" the money they think they are. Just admit it. Most folks could realistically benefit financially from stepping away from the reloading press and working a wage earning job more, studying harder on an exam to get a better grade = a better job, looking harder for better/more work, etc. Time does in fact = money.

That's not to say you should stop doing hobbies. We're all gun enthusiasts here. I don't "bill" myself every moment of every day. But when you ignore the simple principle you are missing something. BTW yes I take extreme pleasure in life.

For instance, I snowboard as a hobby. I recognize that it's an expensive hobby. In addition to the equipment and lift ticket and travel expense, there's also the TIME expenses. A day on the slopes costs me a wage - of some sort. It's a day I could have earned or save or something else. It is simple economics. I could be laying hardwood floor, for instance, to improve the value of my home. Another example. I'm working on laying a hardwood floor (I've done several). I have the tools and knowhow and wood. Instead of paying someone $5000 or whatever, I slowly work on it, a few square feet here and there, evenings and weekends. I spent TIME finding some very affordable reclaimed hardwood flooring... and I realize that the hour I spend, there and there, is valuable time that I could be doing other things. But in the long run I get enjoyment from a job well done that I did. But just because I'm doing it myself doesn't make it free. Because I could have done other hobbies or profitable things in that same timeframe.

I digress...
 
Gosh, by all the handloaders logic here, that time is free,

69 year old retired veteran on a VA Disability. My time is free. Life is good.

Sell it - no more financing, payments

Buy an auto you can afford, not finance. Last car I financed was my first New Corvette I ordered in 1972. Had it financed for 3 weeks till I sat down and saw what the finance charges came to, I paid it off and have paid cash for every auto since, both new and used.

Wife & I purchased a New Flat Screen yesterday.
Lets see, it took 2 hours approx driving to and from the store, spent one and a half hours deciding which size and model to buy, took approx 2 hours to unpack and hook up.

I'm sure my time is valuable so lets just assume its worth about what I was being paid in my past. Man alive that TV cost an additional $220.00 more than the sticker price. Plus we went out to eat while in the big city, so will have to add another hour and the price of the dinner, another $70.00.

Guess I should have stayed home and reloaded ammo for free!!
 
There is such a thing as opportunity cost/lost in any/everything.
Instead of working another job/more hours for the man to pay for expensive factory ammo, one can conversely use the money saved by reloading to invest, one way or another, in something with a decent yield.. this would/can more than make up for working an extra job just to then throw it down a pisshole shooting factory.
 
Gosh, by all the handloaders logic here, that time is free...
That's why it's called "free" time. Personally, if my choices are to work more to pay for factory ammo or save that $288/hr loading my own, I'd rather be handloading. If you really think that it's better to work a part time job to pay for factory ammo, rather than loading your own, be my guest.

The difference is you see the time as worth exactly what it would be worth to an employer. You think we place zero value on our time. Fact is, neither is true but I can see that you will not be swayed by facts so carry on. Sorry but your logic is sillier than you think ours is.

Given your logic and how much you value your time, why are you in the HANDLOADING section of a shooting forum telling us all how handloading is a poor investment of our time? You wanna preach about wasting time, why are you even here??? Are you not wasting time that would be better spent working? Maybe it's time for you to educate yourself on the subject and take a long hard look at your own perspective, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Let's get specific, what part of post #110 do you not understand or disagree with???
 
A quick search of this sub-forum has yielded at least four years of ignorant, condescending rhetoric from leadcounsel about handloading. Seems you simply troll this forum in search of topics to disrupt. You never get into an in-depth discussion, you never quantify your nonsense and you clearly don't know anything about handloading, buying components, learning the process or even the space it requires. So do us all a favor and find somewhere else to stir the pot. You don't handload so maybe you should follow your own advice and spend the time you waste here working a part time job. :rolleyes:

Unless you want to open your mind and have a real, serious discussion. Or was your mind made up when you bought that pistol and had a "kaboom" with the included handloads???
 
I ain't rich, that's for sure, but I'm a fairly mean cook. Sure, I could get an extra job to go out to fancy restaurants every night or eat out at mickyD's, but for about the same money as eating at some bottom tier fast food joint I can craft fare that beats about any place I've been or can go. Yes, it takes some time and consideration but it's enjoyable too. I take pride in it.. and like good food.
Whatever makes you happy.
 
Gosh, by all the handloaders logic here, that time is free

People are demonizing me because they refuse to acknowledge that they aren't "saving" the money they think they are. Just admit it. Most folks could realistically benefit financially from stepping away from the reloading press and working a wage earning job more, studying harder on an exam to get a better grade = a better job, looking harder for better/more work, etc. Time does in fact = money.

That time is free that is why it is called free time. Time is not money unless you are a greedy money grubbing overtime pig. I work a fixed 40 hour week no one where I work is allowed to work overtime because the company owner sees it as a waste of free time. I am saving a whole lot of money reloading and there is nothing that is going to change that, because I reload in my free time.
 
I charge by the hour and I enjoy hand loading ammo. Spending every waking hour trying to make money is too much effort for me. I need time off and hand loading helps me save money while I decompress from work. I mean, I need the time off anyway, and factory ammo isn't cheap. But if you can work seven days a week, 12 hours a day, taking no vacation time throughout the year, then more power to you. I've worked that schedule for two years straight and I learned that life is way too short.
 
Ok assume that I should allow my hourly wage as part of the equation. I make about $12/hr at my job, I can reload rifle ammo at a pace of about 100rd/hr even on my dinky little single stage press. It costs me about $.50 a round ($10 a box) to load the good stuff, if I bought the same bullets in a factory load it costs me $40 a box. Lets do the math.
$40x5=$200
$10x5=$50
$200-$50=$150
So boil it down to $ per hour and I am making $150/hr instead of $12........wish my job paid me that much :D And as a bonus I get superbly accurate ammo custom made to each rifle and getting to take a little pride in my work in the process.
 
Ok assume that I should allow my hourly wage as part of the equation. I make about $12/hr at my job, I can reload rifle ammo at a pace of about 100rd/hr even on my dinky little single stage press. It costs me about $.50 a round ($10 a box) to load the good stuff, if I bought the same bullets in a factory load it costs me $40 a box. Lets do the math.
$40x5=$200
$10x5=$50
$200-$50=$150
So boil it down to $ per hour and I am making $150/hr instead of $12........wish my job paid me that much :D And as a bonus I get superbly accurate ammo custom made to each rifle and getting to take a little pride in my work in the precess.

I wish mine did too
 
The bashers usually point to crap 9mm, .223 etc to make their "case". Pretty sad.

Personally, I love loading for both of those (amongst others, of course) because for way less cost than any ball, I'll have produced something that'll do much more than go "bang".
 
I'm glad you decided to reload again.

Just to mention it, when loading for the .357 Magnum you will probably save ~80% of the cost of buying factory ammo. When loading 500 rounds it will probably only cost you the price of 100 factory rounds in components. When using a the Lee turret press I can safely load between 180 to 200 rounds per hour so in less than 3 hours you can load a months worth of ammo. Not a huge time investment either.

Don't forget the range report...
 
Ok assume that I should allow my hourly wage as part of the equation. I make about $12/hr at my job, I can reload rifle ammo at a pace of about 100rd/hr even on my dinky little single stage press. It costs me about $.50 a round ($10 a box) to load the good stuff, if I bought the same bullets in a factory load it costs me $40 a box. Lets do the math.
$40x5=$200
$10x5=$50
$200-$50=$150
So boil it down to $ per hour and I am making $150/hr instead of $12........wish my job paid me that much And as a bonus I get superbly accurate ammo custom made to each rifle and getting to take a little pride in my work in the process.

Hey, you gotta factor in the time spent going to and from the store selling the factory ammo, and the time spent buying it.

Your math is way off. hehehehe
 
Don't forget all the taxes you'd have to pay if earned a wage instead of reloading. LOL I don't see anyone taking that into account. ;)

Yes, I find reloading financially beneficial and satisfying as a 'hobby'. I agree with a previous poster who said that casting bullets is a serious money saver. I haven't gotten into casting yet, but have been considering it.
 
Hey, you gotta factor in the time spent going to and from the store selling the factory ammo, and the time spent buying it.

Not to mention :

  • The amortized cost of your vehicle usage for that trip- including all moving parts' accurate wear percentage for that particular trip.
  • Your fuel costs.
  • Your insurance costs, per second, from operating the vehicle.
  • Your taxable rate per mile of state road fuel excise tax.
  • The wear , per foot traveled, on your footwear.
  • The depreciation of your clothings' value due to exposure to oxygen and sunlight.
  • Your carbon footprint, without offsets, expressed in taxable carbon credits for your travel and your oxygen expenditure.
  • A syntax adjustment fee, for every word spent explaining to the clerk the difference between 9mm pistol cartridges, and 12 ga shotgun shells- and why they aren't interchangeable for your needs.
  • A fee avoidance fee if you choose to purchase and shoot lead shot instead of steel in any waterfowl areas.
  • A depreciation of the value of life for sitting in traffic, and being forced to wade through wally world.
  • An adjustment to your tax base, incrementally adjusted based on the amount of electricity it takes to activate all of the traffic devices along your chosen route of travel.
  • And, if you live in Jersey- tolls. You will hit at least 47 toll booths between your residence, and the LGS/wallyworld.

I mean, we want a truly accurate accounting right ? Its the little things that kill.......

If you must insist on a truly accurate accounting of the level of costs between the two, I will sick my accountant on it...and you will vomit dollar bills from your tear-ducts in agony trying to get him to shut up in any way possible.

Look, if you want to handload- handload.

If you don't, dont.

This argument gets sillier and sillier every month, and I haven't seen seen anything truly new from either side since the first time I saw it.

Math is math. Time is time. We all have different levels of "tolerance" just like case adjustment dies do- and we'll likely all never see eye to eye.

With that said, trolling this discussion through H&R yet again by a non-loader for kicks is becoming acutely cumbersome and irritating.

I don't come to your place of 24 hour employment and shake the bed- please don't come to our mutual digital bench and try and shake quarters out of it.

It's not gonna happen.
 
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I've got better things to do, and setting down adding up the cost of reloading is not one of them (waste of time).

Handloading is my hobby and is part of shooting overall.
 
Hey, you gotta factor in the time spent going to and from the store selling the factory ammo, and the time spent buying it.

Your math is way off. hehehehe
Nope, mail order in bulk and they usually ship it for free :D OK so factor in the few seconds it take to click a mouse and load a page so $149.99/hr LOL. The only thing I shoot and don't reload for is 22LR.
 
I agree with a previous poster who said that casting bullets is a serious money saver. I haven't gotten into casting yet, but have been considering it.
To further clarify the economics of this, let's pretend you have a turret press and load 200 rds an hour, pistol. 50 rds an hour rifle, including all the brass prep.

I conservatively estimate you cast about 300 cast bullets an hour with a 2 bullet mold. Depends on how long you let your molds cool, and that depends on your mold/bullet/alloy. Now let's consider tumble lubing. It takes practically no time at all to tumble lube them and dump them on a sheet of wax paper to dry. But let's bring your production down a bit for setup, inspection and handling, rejects, and tumble lubing. So let's say you make only 200 an hour, pistol bullets ready to load.

For rifle, let's say you apply gas checks and/or size them. Let's bring your cast bullet production down to 120 an hr. Again, we're being very conservative here. Not trying to emulate a sweat shop. Now to load cast rifle bullets, you have to flare your cases, so let's bring your production down to 100/hr to compensate.

So for pistol, casting bullets might double your time spent on each cartridge. (Again, just using rough examples. If you use a progressive press, it might be much worse; but then you might compensate by buying 6 bullet molds?) If you can save more than twice as much money on your reloaded pistol rds by casting bullets, it will be a perfectly reasonable use of your time. Since the bullet is the most expensive part of a pistol rd, this is easy to do in many of your calibers. Esp in calibers (9mm) where you're hardly saving any money to begin with, it could easily increase your savings by that much compared to using commercial cast lead. The cost of your 124 gr bullets could be around 13 bucks, tops, per 500, vs 35-40 bucks, reducing your total reloading cost by about half after adding in the powder/primers. But your actual SAVINGS on 9mm might be increased 10 fold. Granted, 10x a crappy saving to begin with still isn't all that impressive. But if you're already reloading 9mm for the minimal savings vs factory ammo, despite the cost of your time, then it would still be a good investment to cast bullets for it.

Rifle is where it gets really interesting. If you can increase your savings by just 50% more per rd, you're in the black. Cuz it doesn't take that much longer to add casting to your overall time spent reloading. Ask me if I'd rather make 200 bullets or size/prep 200 cases, and it's easy. I'd rather cast/lube/check 200 bullets. And now I'm making each 7mm-08 cartridge for about 15 cents per, rather than 40 cents per* compared to buying commercial cast bullets. Compare that to the cost for factory jacketed ammo of say 50-75 cents per round, and I'm increasing my savings by 2-3.5 times as much by casting and reloading, vs just reloading with commercial cast bullets. And it's only adding perhaps 50% more to my overall time spent reloading a cartridge.

*My 130 gr rifle bullets cost 3 cents for the lead (that's at a convenience cost of 1.50/lb for ready to cast lead delivered to my door, which is about as expensive as it gets) and 3 cents for the check. That's 6 bucks per hundred, where even commercial cast bullets cost nearly 30 dollars per hundred without shipping (except at gardner's cache, where I'd failed to get an order in for a month before finally giving up and buying my own casting equipment). Add cost of primers and powder, and that's where I get my figures.

Sure, with rifle you're limited to only 2200 fps or so. But then look on the bright side. You are using roughly half the powder charge. And you can even load light plinking loads using non GC'd bullets (with perhaps one quarter a regular rifle charge weight of, say, Unique) that still hit as hard as a 357 magnum. That's at a cost of about 8 cents per rd in this example. 3 cents primer, 2 cents powder, 3 cents boolit. You can't touch that even in calibers where you can buy cheap pulled bullets!

You can argue that casting bullets requires a lot of learning and experimenting. But I think people tend to over complicate this part. Buy some WW ingots; flame mold; lube sprue plate; melt lead; make bullets. Throw rejects back in pot; lube the rest. Once the lead is melted, you will be casting perfectly useable bullets 3 minutes later, even without a how-to guide. Find some tested load info, and load some cartridges.
 
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Gosh, by all the handloaders logic here, that time is free, maybe we all should sell our cars.

Heck, a vehicle is the 1st or 2nd largest investment of funds for most folks.

Sell it - no more financing, payments, repair costs, insurance or gas. Just walk to work. It's free! And good exercise.

People are demonizing me because they refuse to acknowledge that they aren't "saving" the money they think they are. Just admit it. Most folks could realistically benefit financially from stepping away from the reloading press and working a wage earning job more, studying harder on an exam to get a better grade = a better job, looking harder for better/more work, etc. Time does in fact = money.


Some people just don't get it, never did and never will. I have also met some people that should never reload.
 
I think everyone gets it, just fine. But depending on your level of income/skill/ambition, your amount of business/work/social life at the time, and level of enjoyment or lack thereof for reloading, the point of investment/return is different for everyone. Heck, some people (gasp) make a living by casting and/or reloading. There are different levels for different folk.

I earn a very good wage, but my work is very mentally taxing. I honestly couldn't work much more that I do, even if I wanted to. And I don't. Reloading is about as mentally taxing as scratching my butt. (And truth be told, I'm often working on a problem while I'm reloading.)

Then I'm sure there are also plenty of retired/disabled/unemployed folks in this country who can't show an income without making their financial situation worse.
 
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I think everyone gets it, just fine. But depending on your level of income/skill/ambition, your amount of business/work/social life at the time, and level of enjoyment or lack thereof for reloading, the point of investment/return is different for everyone.

I earn a very good wage, but my work is very mentally taxing. I honestly couldn't work much more that I do, even if I wanted to. And I don't. Reloading is about as mentally taxing as scratching my butt. (And truth be told, I'm often working on a problem while I'm reloading.)

Then I'm sure there are also plenty of retired/disabled/unemployed folks in this country who can't show an income without making their financial situation worse.

So are you saying you agree with leadcounsel and everybody that reloads has to figure the cost of their time in the price of their reloads and if they don't they are lying?
 
People who reload are already figuring the opportunity cost of their time. As has been mentioned, you either spend more of the money you spent time earning to purchase ammo or components, or you spend more of your time creating/assembling components. Either way, acquiring ammo costs time.
 
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