Is the H&K 93 as good as an AR-15?
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Gordon
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After taking a carbine class and watching Colt (and other) ARs ,including mine take a dump AND finding out that they only run well lathered up with grease. My 93 might be heavy, it might tear up brass, it might not be as ergonomic BUT it has never ever jammed and the mags always lock up tight! This is what I'll be taking to the advanced class!
Kenneth Lew
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AR15
Pros:
1. Mag release does not require a change in hand position to manipulate.
2. Caliber changes possible.
3. Different barrel lengths.
4. Different stock options.
5. More third party support.
6. Magazines are cheaper.
7. Lighter.
8. You can make your a match rifle, while you cannot make a HK93 a match rifle.
9. PARTS ARE CHEAP.
Cons.
1. Requires more attention to maintenance with gas tube.
2. Retractable stocks all jiggle.
3. So many different rifle manufacturers and third party components manufacturer variations, you will eventually get stuff that does not drop in.
4. Light weight has some disadvantages.
Kenneth Lew
Pros:
1. Mag release does not require a change in hand position to manipulate.
2. Caliber changes possible.
3. Different barrel lengths.
4. Different stock options.
5. More third party support.
6. Magazines are cheaper.
7. Lighter.
8. You can make your a match rifle, while you cannot make a HK93 a match rifle.
9. PARTS ARE CHEAP.
Cons.
1. Requires more attention to maintenance with gas tube.
2. Retractable stocks all jiggle.
3. So many different rifle manufacturers and third party components manufacturer variations, you will eventually get stuff that does not drop in.
4. Light weight has some disadvantages.
Kenneth Lew
wanderinwalker
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Actually, that is one part you really don't need to maintain. Just make sure it's not binding on the carrier key and LEAVE IT ALONE! If it breaks, worry about it then. What I have found really needs to be kept clean is the rear of the bolt (not the carrier) and the hole in the carrier that the bolt rides in. These can carbon up pretty heavily. It will still work, just a little sticky-like!
No comment on the H&K 93, other than to say if it is as ergonomic as an MP-5, I'll pass on it.
doctorhumbert
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I like HK93 better, but I think AR15 is just better at doing what it's suppost to do. Shoot underpowered .223 fast and accurately.
HK93
Pro:
-Mine never jams.
-Feels very solid.
-More reliable mag.
-Excellent resale value (I don't think those cheaper clones will ever match HK quality)
-HK cool factor.
-I find diopter sights of HK easier and more accurate to use.
Con:
-Very front heavy.
-poor ergonomic.
-no bolt hold open (major flaw).
AR15
Pro:
-Light, Well balanced, and Very ergonomic.
-Bolt hold open (must on infantry weapon)
-Highly modular (though HK93 too can be modular with HK KAC RAS)
Con:
-Though fairly reliable, not inherently reliable as HK system My M4 jammed couple times. One too many.
-Feels 'toyish'. Annoyint sproing buffer noise.
-Lesser resale value and more difficult to sell (market is saturated with post/preban ARs now).
-EVERYBODY has one (though mine is pretty pimping).
Conclusion?
- I like HK93, just because I like HK, but if I need a rifle for unlikely SHTF scenario, I'd grab AR15 with Aimpoint.
-Get HK91 . You need .308
HK93
Pro:
-Mine never jams.
-Feels very solid.
-More reliable mag.
-Excellent resale value (I don't think those cheaper clones will ever match HK quality)
-HK cool factor.
-I find diopter sights of HK easier and more accurate to use.
Con:
-Very front heavy.
-poor ergonomic.
-no bolt hold open (major flaw).
AR15
Pro:
-Light, Well balanced, and Very ergonomic.
-Bolt hold open (must on infantry weapon)
-Highly modular (though HK93 too can be modular with HK KAC RAS)
Con:
-Though fairly reliable, not inherently reliable as HK system My M4 jammed couple times. One too many.
-Feels 'toyish'. Annoyint sproing buffer noise.
-Lesser resale value and more difficult to sell (market is saturated with post/preban ARs now).
-EVERYBODY has one (though mine is pretty pimping).
Conclusion?
- I like HK93, just because I like HK, but if I need a rifle for unlikely SHTF scenario, I'd grab AR15 with Aimpoint.
-Get HK91 . You need .308
Snaps
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Marines use a weapon in the AR family as a primary rifle, so obviously if it's good enough for the Corps it's good enough for you
Anyway, I've never shot the HK, but I like the feel and performance of the ARs... So I vote for that...
Anyway, I've never shot the HK, but I like the feel and performance of the ARs... So I vote for that...
I have never shot the HK rifle in question so I can't comment on it specifically. I do know that the HK stuff I have fired wasn't something I liked simply because the controls wern't positioned in an ergonomic location.
"After taking a carbine class and watching Colt (and other) ARs ,including mine take a dump ........"
I have had the opposite experience. I have taken Gunsite's five day basic carbine course, Gunsite's five day Advanced Carbine course, and Frontsight's four day Practical Rifle course. That was close to six thousand rounds of ammo for those three courses shot by in the classes. In the three classes there were approx. 60 people and all but maybe 3 were shooting AR type carbines and rifles. Only one "took a dump". It was a school rental gun that probably had a hundred thousand rounds through it. It didnt' malfunciton, the bolt broke. It was back up and running in five minutes.
1. Requires more attention to maintenance with gas tube.
I don't have any idea what this means and I own 13 ARs.
2. Retractable stocks all jiggle.
True of the GI stocks. Not of the good aftermarket stocks as mentioned previously.
3. So many different rifle manufacturers and third party components manufacturer variations, you will eventually get stuff that does not drop in.
Never had this problem.
4. Light weight has some disadvantages.
The beauty of the AR is that if you don't want it lightweight, you can have it anyway you want to.
If you want an HK, buy an HK. Life is too short to shoot someone else's favorite weapon. Buy it based on your likes and dislikes.
"After taking a carbine class and watching Colt (and other) ARs ,including mine take a dump ........"
I have had the opposite experience. I have taken Gunsite's five day basic carbine course, Gunsite's five day Advanced Carbine course, and Frontsight's four day Practical Rifle course. That was close to six thousand rounds of ammo for those three courses shot by in the classes. In the three classes there were approx. 60 people and all but maybe 3 were shooting AR type carbines and rifles. Only one "took a dump". It was a school rental gun that probably had a hundred thousand rounds through it. It didnt' malfunciton, the bolt broke. It was back up and running in five minutes.
1. Requires more attention to maintenance with gas tube.
I don't have any idea what this means and I own 13 ARs.
2. Retractable stocks all jiggle.
True of the GI stocks. Not of the good aftermarket stocks as mentioned previously.
3. So many different rifle manufacturers and third party components manufacturer variations, you will eventually get stuff that does not drop in.
Never had this problem.
4. Light weight has some disadvantages.
The beauty of the AR is that if you don't want it lightweight, you can have it anyway you want to.
If you want an HK, buy an HK. Life is too short to shoot someone else's favorite weapon. Buy it based on your likes and dislikes.
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