Is there a leverevolution .308 Win?

[22/22mag]

Is there a leverevolution .308 Winchester round with the soft tip or is it only in the .308 Marlin?

 

[epijunkie67]

http://www.hornady.com/story.php?s=198

Here is their web page. It lists the loads currently available.

 

[NCsmitty]

Hornady provides their Leverevolution ammo for rounds that are loaded into a tube style magazine, which are most if not all lever actions. Hence "Lever"evolution. Think about that.

NCsmitty

 

[Speedo66]

While Browning BLRs are definately lever actions, they don't use a tubular magazine, rather a detachable box mag.

They come in .308 Win., among others, but no problem with pointed bullets.

 

[Jason_G]

The whole "point" (excuse the corny pun) of the Leverevolution ammo is to provide a pointed (more aerodynamic) bullet for tube mags that won't run the risk of setting off the primer of the round in front of it. That's why the point is soft plastic. Look at your traditional cartridges for older leverguns: .30-30, .45-70, etc. They all have blunt nosed bullets to prevent poking the primer of the round in front of it.

With the .308, you're already using a pointed bullet, and I don't know of any tube fed guns in .308 Win.

Jason

 

[22/22mag]

I have a 30-30 Marlin and was reading a post were a 336 Marlin was rechambered to shoot .308 but the shooter would only load 2 rounds in .308 Win .1 in the tube, 1 in the barrel for safety.
With a Leverevolution .308 it could load a full tube.

I have a Savage 99 .308 lever and would like to have a .308 Win Marlin 336 to keep company with my

Marlin.44mag.
Marlin 45-70
Marlin 30-30

 

[rcmodel]

A 338 is not nearly stong enough to be re-chambered to .308 Winchester!

If someone did it, they are very foolish.

It would be a bomb waiting to go off.

No gunsmith in his right mind would do it in the first place.

If the 336 action was suitable for the .308 Win pressure, Marlin would already be making them that way.

rc

 

[22/22mag]

rcmodel
You ment the 336 right ? Do you think Marlin's new 308MXLR has been beefed up to handle the .308 Marlin?

 

[Jason_G]

I have a 30-30 Marlin and was reading a post were a 336 Marlin was rechambered to shoot .308 but the shooter would only load 2 rounds in .308 Win .1 in the tube, 1 in the barrel for safety.
With a Leverevolution .308 it could load a full tube.

I see, whatever it is, it's a one-off rifle. I was wondering why you were asking about Leverevolution in .308 Win. I was pretty puzzled. AFAIK, that rifle would be a one-off, and I don't know of it being a popular conversion. I would never expect the ammo to be made commercially honestly, but if one reloaded, I don't see why they couldn't reload a .308 caliber Leverevolution bullet into a .308 Winchester case... That being said, I don't reload, so don't hold me to what I just said. Maybe someone else could pipe in here...

Jason

 

[jester_s1]

A .308 ballistic tip has the same advantages that the softy stuff gives for lever guns. There's no point to using the soft tip in a rifle that fires from a box magazine.

 

[R.W.Dale]

not so fast RC

No gunsmith in his right mind would do it in the first place.

Many gunsmithing outfits actually specialize in this including SSK Industries

actually converting a 336 to fire 308/307rimless and 358/356rimless are somewhat popular conversions. The Marlin 336 is more than up to the task of handling the pressures involved as they've came from the factory in 375win which is a high pressure loading

Both good reads on the subject

http://www.gunweek.com/2003/feature0301.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1182274/rechambering_the_35_remington_marlin.html?cat=11

 

[rcmodel]

SAAMI Specs:
.307 Win is 52,000 CUP.
.375 Win is 52,000 CUP.
.308 Win is 62,000 CUP.

The new .308 Marlin Express uses propriority propellants to provide maximum muzzle velocity at conventional pressures of 46,000-47,000.

You will not be able to match it with available powders for reloading.

rc

 

[R.W.Dale]

SAAMI Specs:
.307 Win is 52,000 CUP.
.375 Win is 52,000 CUP.
.308 Win is 62,000 PSI.
.308 Win is 52,000 CUP


The new .308 Marlin Express uses propriority propellants to provide maximum muzzle velocity at conventional pressures of 46,000-47,000.

You will not be able to match it with available powders for reloading.

rc

we need to compare apples to apples here, You know as well as I do that pressure comparisons in Copper crusher units for different cartridges vs PSI are NOT valid

 

[Jason_G]

A .308 ballistic tip has the same advantages that the softy stuff gives for lever guns. There's no point to using the soft tip in a rifle that fires from a box magazine.

I believe the OP was thinking about a converted lever action Marlin .336. That rifle does not have a box magazine. It has a tube magazine.

Jason

 

[rcmodel]

we need to compare apples to apples here

You are quite correct. My Bad!
And believe it or not, it wasn't intentional.

Still, Winchester had to beef up the 94 receiver to make the Big Bore 94 strong enough for the .375 Win caliber.

Marlin made a few, for a very short time before discontinuing them.
But so few it is a foot-note in history now.
I have to wonder why?

I still contend that a rear locking lever-action designed for the 30-30 is marginal in strength for the .308 Winchester.

rc

 

[R.W.Dale]

You are quite correct. My Bad!
And believe it or not, it wasn't intentional.

No problem, If I had a dollar for every time I........

I still contend that a rear locking lever-action designed for the 30-30 is marginal in strength for the .308 Winchester.

But you gotta take into account it was designed for 30-30 and 45/70 using 19th century metallurgy. Fast forward to the 21st century and the 336 action has gotten stronger simply through advancements in science. Would I concider converting a 1920's Marlin....NO.... But one manufactured since the 60's Heck Yeah!

Crap-ola you've Got Puma Doing 454 casull on a win 92 through the usage of More modern materials.

Marlin made a few, for a very short time before discontinuing them.
But so few it is a foot-note in history now.
I have to wonder why?

Mostly because by the time Marlin got around to chambering such rounds the 307/356 had already ran through it's very very brief "moment in the sun" think 30TC. It's been debated pretty thoroughly as to what Marlin exactly did the 336 to handle higher pressure rounds. All evidence thus far indicates absolutely NOTHING. This quote from the above link in my opinion does a great Job of addressing this question

So what does all this have to do with the Marlin 336? Well, it wasn't long before Marlin waded into the fray by introducing their Model 375, which was nothing more nor less than a 336 chambered for .375 Winchester. Later, they similarly introduced 336s chambered for .307 and .356 Winchester. Despite some claims to the contrary, it has been fairly conclusively proven that these are standard 336 actions, with no extra-special heat treatment nor other "tricks" to enable them to survive 55,000 psi pressures. Furthermore, there are at least a couple of gunsmiths who do steady business rechambering standard 336s to .356 Winchester, and several owners of such rechambered rifles on popular online rifle forums, and I have never yet read of any problems with these conversions.

Still, Winchester had to beef up the 94 receiver to make the Big Bore 94 strong enough for the .375 Win caliber.

But that's an open top WINCHESTER not a Marlin which as always been the more robust of the two mainstream lever guns