Is there any reason for me to expand into .45 colt? Help me think this one through.

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Have had several 44's, Desert Eagle, Super Redhawk, blackhawk,s&w 29,and a Marlin.
few years ago they all went and now am down to a few 45s
Do what you want, but a 45 is well rounded.
 
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1) Economy. Much broader selection of .45 bullets; 200 SWCs designed for .45ACP work like a champ in .45 Colt as one example.

2) Flexibility. A .45 Colt loaded light is a downright pleasant plinking pistol, but with 350gr slugs in a Ruger Blackhawk or similar is enough sidearm for bear country.

3) Just plain Cool Factor. A good smoky powder like Green Dot or Trail Boss and six quick shots will make you feel like an Old West gunfighter.

4) Like the old Texas Ranger said when he was asked why he carried a .45 instead of a .44, "Son, they don't make a .46." A 255gr chunk o'lead at 800-900 is all the combat pistol anybody will ever need.
 
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I would be leery of a Model 1873 chambered for 44 Mag. The '73, just like the '66 and the 1860 Henry are toggle link actions and they are not known for strength. 44 Mag is a very new chambering for the '73, only a couple of years now. Not a whole lot of mileage on them yet, and they are rare as hen's teeth anyway. As has already been stated, all firearms produced in Italy must be proofed in government run proof houses. That is the law. But proofing only involves firing one or two proof loads, producing about 1/3 more pressure than the SAAMI Max. Yes, the guns have been proofed and they did not blow up. That is all proofing accomplishes. Just how well a 44 Mag '73 will stand up to the pounding of many, many rounds over the years is a completely different story. Don't forget, all the toggle link rifles basically have skeletonized frames. There ain't a whole lot of solid metal there. And a toggle link simply does not lock up as securely as a more modern design.

I had a chance to examine a 44 Mag '73 a year or so ago. It was right next to a 45 Colt '73. As far as I could tell, there was nothing stronger about the 44 Mag. The frame walls seemed to be the same thickness, and the bolt was the same. No idea if the links were more robust, but I tend to doubt it. Frankly, the 44 Mag '73s have not been on the market very long and I have not seen any information at all about how well they are holding up.

I would not go that direction.

If I wanted a 44 Mag rifle, I would buy a Marlin Model 1894 or a knock off of the Winchester Model 1892. Not a Winchester Model 1894. The 1894 is a longer action, based on the 30-30 cartridge, and they have been modified to accept the 45 Colt cartridge. Everybody I know in CAS who had a 45 Colt 1894 eventually got rid of it. Too much jamming because it was designed for a longer cartridge.

Yes, the 44-40 cartridge in historically correct for both the SAA and the Winchester 1873. 44-40 was created for the Model 1873 in 1873. Five years later in 1878 Colt first chambered the SAA for 44-40. I have about five rifles chambered for 44-40, I love the cartridge. But beware, it can be a bit fussy to reload because of the extra thin brass at the case mouth.

For what it's worth, despite the fact that lever guns are now available in 45 Colt, that is not a historically accurate chambering for any rifle. Totally a modern development. If you want to be historically accurate and shoot the same cartridge in rifle as well as pistol, your choices are 44-40, 38-40, and 32-20. Historical accuracy ain't everything, but the 44-40 loaded with Black Powder is the perfect round for a rifle.

I love the 45 Colt. First round I learned to load. Nice big bullets and big cases, easy to handle. Buy a set of carbide dies and you won't be sorry. Not really a big investment, just a set of dies. I buy 45 Colt brass direct from Starline, usually 250 at a time. Lots of commercial cast bullets available for 45 Colt too. I do not own any rifles chambered for 45 Colt, but I have 2 Colt SAAs, 3 Rugers, a couple of clones, a couple of Remingtons with conversion cylinders, and this really cool old Colt New Service made in 1906 that I fired for the first time Saturday.

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Ummm, the 1894 AE Trapper 16" 45 Colt that I have has never jammed. Ever! it's a pre safety made in the mid 80s. Presently my son is shooting the crud out of it with no problems either. I want a 44 Mag just like it but they are hard to find anymore.
 
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If you want a rifle length '73, check Uberti's website. As far as I know the .44 Magnum chambering is only offered in the carbine version. If you want a longer tube, you'd have to choose another chambering. Personally, I'd choose a .44-40 over the .45 Colt but I know a lot of people who have .45 Uberti '73s and like them.

Regarding the revolver, I was under the impression that the .44 Magnum revolvers (for example the Uberti Callahan) were larger than the SAA clones like the Uberti 1873 Cattleman. I have only seen pictures of the new Horseman and cannot easily judge its dimensions.

That said, I noticed some Pietta clones for sale at my local Cabela's store. One was a .357 and the other was (according to the sign) chambered in .44 Magnum. I did not handle them but they appeared to be the same size. The clerk told me that the .44 Magnum was beefed up but I tend to disregard about half of what gun store sales people say.
 
Always buy if it fits your fancy. Provided it dosent mean the kds have to miss a few meals. What you got to loose? You can always get your money back on a sale or trade. Very few guns I ever lost money on unless bought new.
 
My entry into revolvers was via a Ruger Blackhawk .45 convertible (separate .45ACP and Colt cylinders). I had plenty of .45 ACP ball ammo - had to shoot it in something, having sold my G21. It's still a viable way to 'hedge your bet'. In case you don't like .45 Colt, you can always shoot .45 ACP in it! In my case, I fell in love with .45 Colt, so it backfired. One day I counted the empty cases I had collected - over 2,700... mostly shot GA Arms reloads. Adding to my Ruger collection was my first S&W - a 625MG - in .45 Colt! It was time I started reloading - I bought a Dillon 550 and a new hobby was started (11/02). I would soon add new calibers - and then revolvers to shoot them in. I still love the .45 Colt!

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That's my twelve year old plinker .45 Colt pair - a S&W 625 Mountain Gun and a 24" octagon barrel Rossi/Puma 1892 in SS and sporting a Marbles Tang Sight - both in .45 Colt. Of course, you can get the same pair in .44 Magnum chambering, too... not much help, am I?

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I'm a 45 Colt guy, and don't even own a .44 Mag. A few years ago I would have advised you to just stick with the .44, as adding a .45 wouldn't really help you finding commercial ammo and since you already reload you can make the .44 do (almost :)) as well as the .45 (albeit w/ smaller holes). I hadn't noticed the impact that "the judge" and others have made on the commercial .45 Colt ammo market, so maybe that has changed.

I don't really see a need for both calibers, but you should buy what you want.
 
One thing that I didn't see anyone mention is the fact that any revolver or lever gun chambered in .44mag will fire .44spl just as well, with lighter recoil, which makes it an ideal plinking round. It also uses the same dies and other supplies as the mag. But, you probably know this already. The only benefit of having the .45 Colt revolver is just for the experience, and just to say "I got one!", and that some, such as the Ruger Blackhawk can be had with .45acp cylinders or cylinders that will accept "moon clips" to allow you to shoot the acp round.
I would stay with the .44 and have fun.
 
If you handload, there's no logical reason to pick one over the other. Enter sentiment and romantic notions into the discussion and there's plenty of reason to have a dozen of both.
 
I like the 45 Colt and have a couple revolvers in the cartridge, but I don't have a 44 Mag of any sort. In your case, I would probably stick with the 44 Mag and get the Uberti, or maybe an older Marlin 1894 in 44 Mag to get with your revolver, unless you really do want to get into another cartridge. If you do, then I'd certainly recommend the 45 Colt as it will work pretty well with a wide range of powders and bullets, and be truly exceptional with several.
 
any revolver or lever gun chambered in .44mag will fire .44spl just as well,

I'd research this before "pulling the trigger" on a .44 Mag lever gun. My Marlin 1894CS feeds .357 and .38 special, but friends with other brands of .357 lever guns are unable to feed .38 special. I'd guess there might be similar problems with trying to run .44 Special through some .44 Mag lever guns.

Since the OP reloads, this probably isn't a biggie, since he can just build his .44 Special loads in the longer cases (being careful not to fall below the minimum loadings). Of course, he could do the same with the .45 Colt, and there's lots of cowboy action load data if he wants to go even lower.
 
All I load in 44Mag is a "reduced" 44 load.
200gr plated flat point at ~1000fps.

I wanted a 4" blued 45acp SW
I found a 4" 29-3 that was too pretty to pass up on a good deal.

The option of fullbore and easily accessible factory loads which I don't shoot much. So I don't bother having a recipe for is nice to have. Everyone wants to shoot the boomer once in awhile.

With my grip set-up though recoil is harsher than a 8" SW 460 from experience of myself and the 460's owner.

It's great for my plinking loads though!

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Edied to add: I also have a 16" 44mag Rossi 92. It also does well with my 200gr loads, but I got a box of Hornady 240gr bullets on sale that I MAY work into a hunting load here before deer season for it.

Shoot! I forgot I had a box of 180gr's from Hornaday when I got my dies! I might just press those into some special brass I have laying around for my "light but effective" load.

Looks like I have some loading to do. Shoot, haha.
 
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