Is this post true?

[orangeninja]

"Ya know, the US parts count thing applies only if you assemble a firearm that is banned from import due to the 89 ban. The rifles banned from import were those that were copies of military firearms that took high capacity magszines and had at least one of the following:

attached bipod
Bayo-lug
night sights
grenade launcher
flashhider or threaded muzzle
folding or telescoping stock
pistolgrip.


If you want to add any of those features back on, you have to swap parts to make it a US rifle, only 10 imported parts allowed. (the 94 ban then only allows you to add one of the pistol grip, bayo lug, flashhider, or telescoping stock. Before 94 you could add ALL of them back on with a US parts conversion)"


Thanks

The Saiga in the stock configuration does not have ANY of the banned features. Therefore you can use a high capacity mag in a stock siaga without being illegal. Only if you want high capacity AND a pistolgrip or something do you need US parts, like on the Romanian SAR series.
But the single stack AKs, like the CUIR (?), WASR 10, and such DO have a pistol grip and DON'T need US parts because they are not able to use high capacity mags.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

Not quite. It is not "military style" guns with detachable magazines but any firearm that ATF deemed not "sporting" back in 1989. You cannot take any imported firearm and make modifications to it that would make it illegal for importation. By changing the parts, you can make the firearm "Made in the USA" and therefore not covered by 922(r). This is completely different than the assault weapon ban and this does not go away in September when the ban dies.

Section 922(r) of the Gun Control Act (GCA) prohibits assembly of certain semiautomatic rifles and shotguns from imported parts. The implementing regulations in section 178.39 of Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations provide that no person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the following imported parts if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of the GCA as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting
purposes:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings
or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunnions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user...tf_letter27.txt

 

[orangeninja]

Couldn't you alter a preban magazine to work in a rifle and not actually alter the rifle itself?

 

[Hkmp5sd]

Depends. You can alter a preban magazine to function in a different firearm provided it will still function in the firearm it was designed for.

It sounds like you want to use high capacity magazines in a Saiga and under ATF's current rules you cannot modify the Saiga to accept "a large capacity magazine designed and produced for a military assault weapon".

You have two options. Either wait until September when companies will be able to manufacture new magazines for the Saiga with high capacities or change enough parts to make it legal to modify the Saiga to accept AK magazines.

 

[femoralis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't it be illegal to use any hicap in a saiga rifle without adding a certain number of USA made parts?

 

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[Hkmp5sd]

The 10 round magazine limit is a function of the '94 AW ban, not the application of the "sporting clause" of the '68 GCA. The reason you cannot use a high capacity magazine in the Saiga is there are no greater than 10 round magazines in the US that are legal for use by civilians.

ATF has made two rulings about the '94 AW ban which allow postban guns to use legally owned preban magazines and one that allows the alteration of a preban magazine as long it will still function in the original firearm.

When the AW ban dies in September, it will be legal for companies and individuals to manufacture magazines greater than 10 rounds without any restrictions and I'd bet some manufacturers already have their eyes set on the instant market for Saiga magazines.

Is it September yet?

 

[Tropical Z]

I havent tried it yet,but ive heard of people filing the mag catch on 30 round AK mags,filling in the front ( in various ways) of the mag and having it work in Saigas and SAR's or the like.Compare both side by side and youll see what im talking about.Since they supposedly work fine in a standard AK i assume they would be legal mags.No different than using a 17 round Beretta mag that has been adapted to work in an XD but will still function in a 92.