Is this President Bush's hidden agenda? If so, GOOD!

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From the London, UK Daily Telegraph (http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/o...xml&sSheet=/opinion/2003/03/07/ixopinion.html):

Britain's role is crucial in next stage of war on terror - Iran
By Stephen Pollard
(Filed: 07/03/2003)


If there is a stick to be grasped, you can rely on the BBC to take hold of the wrong end of it. Reporting the latest round of UN manoeuvrings, the corporation's diplomatic correspondent tells us that the British ambassador is trying to find a "compromise" resolution that, by giving Saddam Hussein a final, final, final deadline (one should write "final" 18 times, given that there have already been 17 UN resolutions passed), will both put him to the test and draw France, Germany and Russia into the fold.

Quite the opposite. The purpose of a new resolution is not to issue more deadlines, but to present the so-called axis of weasels with a clear choice. If they are unable to bring themselves even to sign up to this final deadline, their sophistry will be exposed. Their motives will be seen to be based not on weapons inspectors and timing, but on a belief that no action should be taken against Saddam at all. The Prime Minister will thus be handed a strong argument (and some domestic political cover) for supporting American action without a further UN mandate.

Despite the coverage of the Bush-Blair relationship, President George W Bush has been concerned all along to preserve Mr Blair's political capital. Indeed, just before the anti-war march, the Prime Minister took a call from Condoleezza Rice, Mr Bush's National Security Adviser. The content of that call has not been revealed until now. The President, she told him, understood that, with most of the Labour Party and the majority of the country opposed to his policy, his position was precarious. But, she continued, he was far too important an ally to lose.

Nice, supportive words, for which Mr Blair was no doubt grateful. But they contained a twist. If, Miss Rice continued, the Prime Minister judged that he needed to soften his tone and, in particular, distance himself from Mr Bush, the President was relaxed. The reason, as Miss Rice put it, was that the bigger picture required that the Prime Minister preserve as much political capital as possible. Both Mr Blair and Miss Rice knew what the "bigger picture" was without it having to be spelt out. The bigger picture is Iran.

So much attention has been focused on Iraq that most observers have ignored what stares us in the face. When President Bush made his "axis of evil" speech, singling out Iraq, North Korea and Iran, he was not simply looking for good headlines. He was revealing a template for action.

The war on terror is not simply about destroying the Taliban and taking down Saddam; it is a far more complex operation. The President has carefully set about action in ascending order of difficulty. First the Taliban. Then Saddam. Then the next step, Iran - the world's leading financier of terror. North Korea will be left to China to deal with, with Mr Bush making clear to China that, if it does not take its responsibilities seriously, Japan will be given nuclear weapons.

This is not speculation; talk, as I have, to those within the Bush circle - to those who share, and influence, the views of figures such as Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, who were pointing out the threat posed by terror long before September 11 - and they will take you through the plan step by step.

As one of those thinkers, Michael Ledeen, of the American Enterprise Institute, the think tank closest to the Bush Administration, puts it: "Iran is the mother of modern Islamic terrorism. The mad vision that we now associate with Osama bin Laden was elaborated more than a decade ago by Ayatollah Khomeini and institutionalised in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Both preach unbridled hatred of America, the Jews, and anything that represents the modern secular state."

Iran is, if you like, the Henry Ford of modern terror: it invented an assembly line, from the local mosque to the terrorist training camp, which is now copied everywhere. That assembly line is today global in scale, and takes in all types of Islam: Shi'ite, Sunni and Wahhabi, as well as Iraqi-promoted Salafism - even more hardline than Wahhabism, and closely tied to bin Laden. As Ledeen puts it: "The best way to think of the terror network is as a collection of mafia families. Sometimes they co-operate, sometimes they argue, sometimes they even kill one another. But they can always put aside their differences whenever there is a common enemy."

The interception early last year by the Israelis of the Karine A, a ship loaded with tons of explosives and Iranian weapons, en route from Dubai - a major Iranian operational base - to the Palestinian Authority is a typical example of such co-operation. The Iranians are Shi'ite, the Palestinians Sunni.

But it is proving difficult enough to get the UN to support action against Iraq. Mr Bush's most fundamental belief is that actions have consequences. If the UN behaves irresponsibly, it will pay the price. A phrase is doing the rounds: the US out of the UN, and the UN out of the US.

Well-connected advisers tell me that if, as now seems likely, the UN refuses to back action against terror, Mr Bush will announce a "temporary" suspension of America's membership, to be accompanied by an offer: if the UN gets its act together and carries out long-overdue reforms, America (and its money) will return. But if there is no reform, the temporary withdrawal will, de facto, become permanent.

But although British support would be valued, the real need is far more practical. The battle against Iran will not be military. It will be intelligence-led, and will build on existing forces within Iran. After 20 years spent trying to isolate Iran, however, American intelligence is lamentable. MI6, on the other hand, has spent that time rebuilding its links and recruiting highly placed agents. America needs Britain if it is to deal with Iran. And that means it needs Mr Blair to remain in office.

That is why, quite apart from the usefulness of Mr Blair's existing support, the President is looking to the "bigger picture". The Prime Minister's support over Iraq is valuable. Over Iran, the next stage of the war on terror, it will be essential.

Stephen Pollard is a senior fellow at the Centre for the New Europe, a Brussels think tank
 
IMHO, Iraq is also a thinly veiled suggestion to Saudi Arabia and its support of apostate Wahhabism. Shape up, SA, close your terror schools, bring your Wahhabist mullah's into line and start thinking about joining the 21st century. I would also suggest that a Palestinian/Israel solution could also be on the table after Sadaam has gone. If a confederation could be implemented in Iraq between Kurds, Sunni's and Shi'ite's, and SA quits exporting terror and financing same, most Isaeli's and Palestinian Arabs would probably bury the hatchet in the sand rather than each other, especially since Arafat's star is about extinguished.
Iran, it appears, may take care of its own problems as the youth in Iran are disenchanted with the draconian religious state. Most of the Iranians are young as there are not many older Iranians, courtesy of Sadaam killing most of them a while back.
 
I read that somewhere else. That Iran was the real goal. A future conquered Iraq on one side of Iran, an already conquered Afganistan on the other. It would not surprise me.

Those people over there, they are so irresponsible. It makes me weary to think of their small minds and lack of global vision. The whole middle east (except Israel) region. Pax Americana over the middle east? The world should be so lucky. The people of the middle east should be so lucky.

Reminds me of the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still." Great 1950's science fiction film that has just been restored and released on DVD. Basically the alien character's federation of planets didn't give a hoot about the Earth until they developed atomic power and rockets. Once they did, they sent an ambassador to tell the Earth's governments, you are a threat to our peace, either join us and live in peace, or suffer anihilation.

After 9/11 we are in that same boat. Does anybody think for one second, that if Osama or people like him had an atomic bomb, that they would not use it in New York or Washington? A possibility a whole lot scarier than you think with the Pakistani connection.
 
I'm delirious...

with JOY!!

I knew about GWB's plan for Iran. I knew about his plan for the whole middle east. There aren't words to describe how happy I am about all that.

But get us (US) out of the UN? Kick the UN out of the US? This is the first I've heard about this. It's almost too good to be true! Can you imagine the howl and caterwaul that will go up from the liberal media if this comes to pass? I can't wait!


And just think: the crooked lawyers and corrupt judges almost gave us Gore for president.

Talk about close calls!


I will go take my tranquillizer and warm milk, now.

Matis
 
Klaatu beratta nictu....

There has been a can of asswhip sitting on our international shelf since 1979 when the ayatullah took our embassy and showed the world what a bunch of senseless wussies we were under jimmy carter. It's time those chickens came home to roost.
 
I'm not sure what to think about that hypothesis, but have you noticed how much press the former Shah's son has been getting lately? He seems to be a sharp guy.

From the article below: "His father, Shah of Iran Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, was deposed and exiled by a regime led by fundamentalist Islamic clerics in 1979.

At the time, the younger Pahlavi was studying to be a fighter pilot in Texas. He now lives near Washington, D.C., .."

Hmmmm.


http://depts.washington.edu/~uweek/archives/2002.04.APR_25/news_j.html



Shah of Iran’s son to speak May 6


Reza Pahlavi, son of the late Shah of Iran, will speak at 7 p.m. Monday, May 6 in 120 Kane about the current situation in Iran and the future of democracy there.
Pahlavi was described in a recent Time magazine article as “the most significant symbol of external opposition†to Iran’s current rulers. His father, Shah of Iran Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, was deposed and exiled by a regime led by fundamentalist Islamic clerics in 1979.

At the time, the younger Pahlavi was studying to be a fighter pilot in Texas. He now lives near Washington, D.C., and makes regular satellite TV broadcasts to Iran (which are illegally but widely watched). He told Time that he has no intention of re-establishing the monarchy but supports Iranians’ right to self-determination.

His UW appearance is sponsored by the Department of Near Eastern Languages & Civilization, the Middle East Center of the Jackson School of International Studies; and the College of Arts & Sciences.
 
Dont forget France!!!!!!!!
I think we need to definately add France to the Axis of evil list folks. After all they are willfully and with full knowledge of the French government sending All sorts of plane parts and other essential items to Iraq and God knows to who else. They have the supplies shipped in illegally through a third party. Why then do we continue to sequester their fricken approval?? :cuss: I think they should be held just as accountable as Iraq. Even more so.

France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes.----Mark Twain

"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." - General George S. Patton

*"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." --General Norman Schwartzkopf

*"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure" --Jacques Chirac, President of France

"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
--Rush Limbaugh,

*"The only time France wants us to go to war is when the German Army is sitting in Paris sipping coffee."
--Regis Philbin

*"You know, the French remind me a little bit of an aging actress of the
1940s who was still trying to dine out on her looks but doesn't have the face for it."
--John McCain, U.S. Senator from Arizona

*"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America , he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He is French, people!!"
--Conan O'Brien

*"I don't know why people are surprised that France won't help us get Saddam out of Iraq . After all, France wouldn't help us get the Germans out of France !"
--Jay Leno

*"The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag."
--David Letterman

*Next time there's a war in Europe , the loser has to keep France .

*Today it was reported that a severe earthquake has occurred in central France. The severity was measured in excess of 10 on the Richter Scale. The cause was the 56,681 dead American soldiers buried in French soil rolling over in their graves.
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Okay, the question is this...

The President has the power to make treaties, with the concurrence of 2/3rds of the Senate. Does that mean that it requires 2/3rd of the Senate to break a treaty? The UN treaty?

I think not. I think that the President can break a treaty without a 2/3rd's Senate approval. Though, would breaking the UN treaty count as high Crimes and Misdemeanor? Its certainly not Treason or Bribery.

Clause 2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
 
Shape up, SA, close your terror schools, bring your Wahhabist mullah's into line and start thinking about joining the 21st century.
I am, at heart, a die-hard optimist.

But...I don't agree with your analysis. Deposing Saddam Hussein [and all his fanatical "family"] represents a mortal threat to the Saudi royal family. Not suggesting that would be a bad thing, but the specter of a truly democratic government in Iraq forces the Saudi rulers to envision a possible end to their autocratic rule.

They are, IMO, in an untenable position, just as the mullahs of Iran are. I'd not like to be in their shoes these days, but I'd sure like to eavesdrop on their back-channel communications.

That having been said, there's always the chance that you are a chess player. If so, I like your long-term outlook. :cool:

Despite the Frogs and the Socio-Deutsch'ers, we're dedicated to continuing WWIII until we win. [you'd think they'd be more inclined to rely on history than most other countries :rolleyes:]

Let's keep rolling!
 
It appears to me that Zander is essentially correct, though remember that the House of Saud were desert wanderers for centuries so selling out their neighbors to preserve their own hides is nothing that will bother them for very long. Expect them to do everything including (with public reluctance) cutting oil prices in order to get the US to go elsewhere first, while hoping that they can out last any American administration (hey, it's worked before...)
 
Since September 12, 2001, I have been saying this: Before this war is over we will have to fight in every muslim country in the world.
 
I got a real bad feeling that we will lose troops to lethal technology provided by Germans, Rusians, and the French in particular. They will have entered their names voluntarily on the List of Evil. Bush had demonstrated he will not forgive or forget.

Iran is a target but a target that will correct itself. The threat of US involvement in the Middle East carrying a big stick has already yielded results. Notice Israel had a two month period of no murders bombers. The reason? Arafat wants to keep his head down so as not to become a target of the Americans.

Arab understand power, something Westerners don't.

As a plus, Bush may well rid us the scourge of the UN. Can you imagine the eviction notice along with NY demanding payment of parking tickets. Can you image the French Pretty Boy Foreign Minister troll for women in the Sudan?

What fun!
 
Sounds like the next world war awaiting in the wings.

Should the US boot the UN and/or leave, we become the rogue nation... look at world opinion now, not that it should matter too much, based on the US economy keeping the world afloat.

Can't go back to the old Isolationist America anymore can we? The old "ostrich sticking his head in the sand" never really works when the lions are on the prowl anyway.

China/NK/Taiwan in the far east, Muslims/Judiaism in the mid east, Europe East/West in political turmoil, Africa going tribal once again... and I never even mentioned Russia/USSR... Oil, Religion and political power; what a mix.

And every one of them deciding its our fault/doing. Even the pacifists herein.

Our administrations come, they go. Sometimes by a cat's whisker.

We sit here, fat, dumb and happy, believing everything we watch on the boob tube, can't play chess to save our lives cause our main player(s) keep revolving based on their latest sound bites, polls and hanging chads.

Economics vs. religion, freedom (or whats perceived to be freedom) or safety, representative vs. dictatorial and who is to say what's right?

Once Bush is out of office and Blair as well, just who will be calling the shots? I shudder to think of Al Gore or Hillary in charge here (not that Al has a shot at it) and I wonder who's waiting in the wings in the UK.

The repub's can't even break a filibuster and you want 2/3? Never happen.

Adios
 
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