Isn't Self-Defense Common Sense?

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Isn't Self-Defense Common Sense?
By Jacob Sullum
Wednesday, February 27, 2008

Under the Second Amendment, Barack Obama says, "There is an individual right to bear arms, but it is subject to common-sense regulation, just like most of our rights are subject to common-sense regulation." The leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination thus seems to be on the same wavelength as the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, which in a decision last March said that "the protections of the Second Amendment are subject to the same sort of reasonable restrictions that have been recognized as limiting, for instance, the First Amendment."

But there is a crucial difference between these superficially similar formulations: The appeals court meant what it said, and Obama doesn't. Although the Illinois senator has learned to pay lip service to the Second Amendment, the details of his past and present positions on gun control suggest he neither understands nor respects the right to keep and bear arms.

In last year's ruling, which the U.S. Supreme Court will soon review, the D.C. Circuit overturned a Washington, D.C., gun law that bans possession of handguns in the home and requires that rifles and shotguns be kept "unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock." The law thereby effectively bars city residents from using firearms for self-defense in their own homes.

Obama evidently considers that de facto prohibition a "common-sense regulation," since he recently cited Washington's law as an example of constitutionally permissible gun control. "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gangbangers and random shootings on the street isn't borne out by our Constitution," he said.

The D.C. gun law, passed in 1975, isn't really about gangbangers, which it has not exactly disarmed, or random shootings on the street, which it has not noticeably curbed. In effect if not intent, it is about disarming law-abiding residents who might want to protect themselves from gangbangers and other violent criminals.

It's not surprising that Obama sees nothing unconstitutional about this situation, since he does not acknowledge that the Second Amendment has anything to do with self-defense. "As a former constitutional law professor, Barack Obama understands and believes in the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms," his website claims. "He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting" (emphasis added).

This is the only substantive discussion of the Second Amendment on Obama's Web site. It's part of a document that lists "Protecting Gun Rights" as a subcategory of "Supporting the Rights and Traditions of Sportsmen," which is like listing "Protecting Freedom of Speech" as a subcategory of "Supporting the Rights and Traditions of Auctioneers."

It's true that hunting -- at the time an important source of sustenance, as opposed to the hobby it has become for most Americans -- was one of the gun uses the Framers had in mind when they guaranteed the right to arms. But as the D.C. Circuit emphasized when it found Washington's gun law unconstitutional, "the people's right to arms was auxiliary to the natural right of self-preservation," which was "understood as the right to defend oneself against attacks by lawless individuals, or, if absolutely necessary, to resist and throw off a tyrannical government."

Because Obama ignores these aspects of the Second Amendment, he sees no constitutional barrier to a complete ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns, which he supported when he ran for the Illinois Senate in 1996. Two years later, he said he favored a ban on the sale or transfer of all semiautomatic firearms, which would cover not only most handguns but also many hunting rifles and shotguns as well.

Responding to criticism that Obama has since changed his position on gun control, his campaign declares that "Obama has been consistent." If so, consistent civil libertarians -- the ones who do not mentally skip from the First Amendment to the Fourth -- should be worried.



http://ksky.townhall.com/columnists/JacobSullum/2008/02/27/isnt_self-defense_common_sense
 
Either one of the dems candidates would be near-equally bad for firearms owners and citizens of the us, but I'm not sure which one would be spanked harder in an election against the likely mccain. for the safety of the constitution and all citizens I really hope for a non-dem president this time next year.
 
This is why I beleive if the president is one party then congress should be controlled by the other party. Ofcourse then I guess nothing would ever get done because the two parties would have to work together and we all see how well that works out...
 
"He will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport and use guns for the purposes of hunting and target shooting"

Fudds for Obama!
 
Well as crazy as it might sound and given the OXFORD definition of sport
you could arugue that self defense is in fact a particpatory sport.
We practice our sport, at times competitively, the practice is fun,
we have rules which we must abide by and if we score we are subject to review by our peers and a judge. I mean if you consider some of the other crazy legal arguments the ACLU has made thru the years why not.
 
Snow 92686:

This is why I believe if the president is one party then congress should be controlled by the other party. Of course then I guess nothing would ever get done because the two parties would have to work together and we all see how well that works out...

Best idea I've heard all year.

And I think it would work out just fine.
 
Obama (and his supporters) like to point out that he was a professor of Constitutional law. My response to that, based on having a post-graduate degree in a "learned science," is ... so what?

In my first semester of graduate school one of my professors made an absolute statement, that I knew to be absolutely wrong because the course (required for all incoming students) was a repeat of a course I had taken at another college as an undergraduate. And I still had the textbook from that class. The next time I went home for a visit I dug out the book, brought it back to the university with me, and showed the professor where he was wrong.

He never spoke to me, for the entire rest of the year.

Being a professor of something doesn't mean that one professed the subject correctly. It just means he got paid for imposing HIS interpretation of the Constitution on his students. The finest Constitutional scholars in the country, those who are willing to be intellectually honest, all agree (even those who don't like it) that the 2nd Amendment (a) protects an individual right; and (b) is not restricted by the militia clause. I'll have to research what they have said (if anything) about how much "reasonable regulation" they think may be imposed on a right that "shall not be infringed."

The old 1st Amendment parallel of "You don't have a right to yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater" doesn't work. The fact is, you DO have a right to yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater. You also have a right to be arrested for disturbing the peace if you yell "Fire!" when there's no fire. But, obviously, if there's a fire you most assuredly have a right to announce it. All of which really has nothing to do with the freedom of speech the 1st Amendment was intended to protect, which was ... political dissent.
 
I seem to recall that once upon a time the guy that came in second in the Presidential election was made the VP. Wonder how that would work these days?
 
Aguila,
In order to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, you should first obtain a permit to yell "fire". Of course in order to get this permit, you should be required to take a course to assure the government that you know exactly which situations are appropriate for yelling the word "fire".
Now, no one should be allowed to take this course if they have a history of previous offenses of yelling "fire" inappropriately or for that matter, other words which might offend or cause problems. Of course, anyone convicted of a felony should not be issued a permit to yell the word "fire". This includes anyone guilty of felony tax evasion, because everyone knows that they should not have the right to yell "fire", even if there is a fire.
A small, nominal fee should be required for this permit, say, $200. Also, no-one should be allowed to yell "fire" more than once a month.
Of course, this should all be monitored by the BATFEOW, the Bureau of Alcohol/Tobacco/Firearms/Explosives/and Offensive Words.
This would all fall under the guise of "common sense legislation", no???;)
 
Fburgtx said:
Of course, anyone convicted of a felony should not be issued a permit to yell the word "fire". This includes anyone guilty of felony tax evasion, because everyone knows that they should not have the right to yell "fire", even if there is a fire.
Well, after all ... a felony is a felony.

However, your reasonable regulations are only a good start. In order to ensure that convicted felons cannot possess the equipment to yell "Fire!" in crowded theaters, the BATFEOW will have to initiate a program of cutting the tongues out of all felons as they are released from prison.

The problem of how to accomplish surgical reattachment in the event some of said felons get their rights restored is moot, since the program for rights restoration at the Federal level hasn't been funded for many years.
 
WAIT A MINUTE! The only time Obama or Billary lie is when their mouths move, give them a break. :rolleyes:
 
I, jokingly, wonder if my state would offer a predatory varmit tag on criminals, if Obama makes it into office, and then it would be for sporting or hunting purposes. Of course the tag would have an open season year round. :D
 
Cthulu in '08!!!

Look, I agree with Snow. I'm not against Obama getting in as long as the Republicans could take back both House and Senate. To paraphrase a common commercial "When government competes with itself, you win!"

But, an all Democratic government can hurt this country in ways I don't wanna think about.

(I used to think that the Republicans were great, now, I hate them all, and just hope to always have them at each others necks. That way they are limited in how much money they can waist, and how stupidly they can represent America to the world)
 
"Being a professor of something doesn't mean that one professed the subject correctly. It just means he got paid for imposing HIS interpretation of the Constitution on his students."

Tell me about it. Went to college at age 45. Had a merry old time with a few profs including an American Government PHD who did not hold a grudge.

A very liberal speech professor who was a grad of Harvard took exception to a speech that I made about the Kennedys and did hold a grudge. There were so many complaints about the guy that he was canned after one semester.
 
Guys, look. Self defense is built into our genes, as with most other beings on this planet. I feel we should use every defensive tool possible to use against a BG bent on severely harming one's self or someone else unjustly.

However. The problem comes from our choice of weapons. Projectiles don't stop at the BG but continue on for some distance. I feel (FEEL, yes) that is where the anti's argument is founded, and capitalized upon. Not the only reason mind you, but one of them.

Frankly I don't have a problem with certain firearm restrictions. Our basic training/background requirements just don't meet what is necessary IMO to carry whatever/whenever/wherever we feel like.
 
I'm an easygoing sort of fellow so I have no quarrel with Sen. Obama's point of view as long as it's my common sense that makes all the rules.

The only real problem with "common sense" is that it doesn't exist. It's a rhetorical device designed to manipulate people. If it did exist, there would be no reason to talk about it and certainly not to argue for it. It would be common knowledge and everyone would agree.

So just about the only time anyone invokes the concept of "common sense" is in trying to convince people about matters in which there is disagreement. If there's disagreement it's not common sense.

That's why common sense should tell everyone that Barack Obama is a demogogue.
 
chris in va:

Our basic training/background requirements just don't meet what is necessary IMO to carry whatever/whenever/wherever we feel like.

Although I have no reason to disagree with your opinion that your own "basic training/background requirements just don't meet what is necessary IMO to carry whatever/whenever/wherever we feel like," why do you think that's true of me and others who are well trained and obviously have better character than you?

Or are you simply making the same kind of unsupported generalization as Barack Obama and which he manipulatively terms "common sense"? Maybe you should revise your statement so it applies to you and not to the vast numbers of people you and Barack Obama can't possibly know.
 
The 2A was written not to create a right but to protect a right that the founders knew pre-existed our government.

Our founders were all prolific writers, it is no secret what they meant with regard to the Constitution (or anything else for that matter) yet these idiot politicians would like all of us to believe that "interpreting" the Constitution is akin to reading tea leaves.
 
I'm trying to think of how to phrase a question if I ever get my golden opportunity. Maybe you guys can help me out. Here's what I have so far:

"Mr. Obama, you have Secret Service protection. So, your self-defense plan blatantly includes handguns. Why do you think Americans shouldn't have the right to protect themselves with handguns."
 
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