ISRA Asks Court To Let Illinoians Carry Weapons Now

[wildbilll]

^^ There was not an entire clerical procedure to invent from scratch, including approval of training courses, procedures for conducting and collating criminal backgrouind checks, the need to create forms and writtten procedures, and all of the other seeming simple but in reality complex procedures needed to administer a new program.

Imagine how complex motor vehicle license issuance is, from an administrative standpoint, and tell me that a system could be in place overnight. Now add the need to do background checks, and tell me how long it would take to simply write the procedures down in a cogent way, as an administrative document. The fact is that governments work according to procedures, and the procedure for this is has not even been established. It's a huge job... I bet that new people will need to be hired, trained, and all of that as well. Wishing for it to magically "be done" overnight is simply not realistic.

I want my permit tomorrow too... but I expect I'll actually get it sometime in 2014. That's just how it is. It's a LOT sooner than my friends in NJ will get theirs...

The difference between theory and reality is that in theory they are the same, but in reality they are different. There's no magic "invoke new procedure" button to push. It's going to take a lot of work to get the system running. You try dealing with 300,000 pieces of paper *all at once*. Let me know how you do...


Willie


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In IL, the prerequisite to the permit is the FOID card. During the hearings in the legislature, the ISP said that they run the FOID names daily for possible disqualification and revocation.
First, one has to wonder what additional background checks are really needed to determine if someone can carry a firearm concealed vs unloaded, in a case by a FOID holder.
Second, one has to wonder how long it took in other states to ramp up an application and issuance process.
Third, since a FOID card is already issued to the applicant, why would it take 90 days, plus an additional 30 days (for those who do not submit prints).
Fourth, what basis is there for requiring 16 hours of training? We have some with zero. There are no statistics to support this. It is merely making it more difficult. And more expensive.
It all sounds like slow walking the entire process to make it as difficult as possible.
This does not sound like a reasonable permit process.

 

[Willie Sutton]

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It took months for Wisconsin to get the process "ready to use" after the law was changed (until recently it was Wisconsin and Illinois that were the only two non-issue states). In Wisconsin the law was changed by a much smaller margin than the Illinois override of the Governers conditional veto. So you could say that Wisconsin was "more resistant overall" to the change. In any event months went by in order to get the process established. I sent in my application the day applications were accepted and had mine back in three weeks. So "process design" is important in order to smoothly and efficiently "do the monkey work". Six months is really not unreasonable. A major for-profit corporation would take longer to implement a similarly complex business process. My significant other is a business analysis, so I asked her how long an insurance company would take to implement a similar process at a similar volume. Answer: one year.


Willie


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[Deltaboy1984]

The judge in the Illinois case should tell the governor and legislators you got 6 months to issue or your in contempt of court and Federal Marshall' s will be coming to pick you up.

 

[bdickens]

"The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."