it was cheap so i bought it..........hi-point 9mm carbine

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I like em for home defence. They are reliable, accurate, and cheap. If you ever have to use a gun in a defensive situation, there are going to be police involved, they are going to take the gun, and they won't take care of it. Even if you are in the right, they still have to treat it like any other shooting untill the DA or judge makes a decision on it. I'd much rather be out a cheap hi-point than have to give up one of my better and much more expensive guns.
 
Frogmatik, i'm not going to take my chances and hope a low quality gun functions when needed just because i'm worried about the police not taking good care of it. I can live with losing an HK if it saves mine or a lived one's life.

A guy at the range had a high point pistol that fired every time he pulled the trigger it until the slide went flying downrange with the bullet. First priority for a defensive or combat gun should always, always, always be reliability.
 
I must admit a bit of a weakness for carbines, pistol caliber carbines in particular. I have one of the Hi-Point 9mm carbines and would definitely trust it more than a "Red Rider" in war although it wouldn't be my first choice.

It's fun, reliable, cheap, accurate, lightweight, easy to shoot well, compact and cheap. Oh, yeah, 'tis ugly fer sure!

Worth the money and for those folks that cannot afford the more expensive home defense long arms a good choice for the role.
 
The Red Rider comment was obviously in jest.

I'm not saying everyone must buy a LWRC for home defense but I would never buy something with questionable reliability for that purpose. A 12 gauge pump can easily be had for little more than the cost of a high point and would make a far more effective and reliable home defense long arm.

Google "hipoint failures" for a ton of reasons why this is the wrong weapon for defense.
 
Don't own any Hi-Points, but a lot of my Shooting Budds do (We call ourselves "The Cheap Galoots")

From my experiences, Hi-Points are pig-butt-stuck-in-a-mud-fence-ugly. They do go BANG! on request, everytime, and put the lead where you aim, or Hi-Point fixes it...FREE!

what more can you ask from sub-$350 carbines and sub-$200 Handguns?
 
I googled hi point failure, the vast majority of what I found was about how hi-points have NO failures. Very little of what I found was actual failures. I watched several torture tests and was flat out amazed at what people did to hi-points...and still had functioning guns.

Then, just for giggles, I googled "H&K failure"...go look for yourself
 
I found a few failure to ejects with HK and other minor problems but for one there are far more HKs in the world. Also, because HKs are so known for their quality people are gona make a big deal when that rare issue is seen with one.

If you wana see just how crappy of material hipoints are made with check out the link below. I know its a pistol but i'm pretty sure the carbines aren't made of anything better. By the way, my father owns a highpoint 9 mm carbine and i own a 9mm pistol so i am familiar with their guns.
http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/index.php?topic=15746.0
 
So far I've had nothing but positive experiences with both pistol and carbine. I'd think the .40 would be a pretty darn good backup HD weapon.

I got nuthin bad to say about them. My H&K was darned expensive. My 870 not so much. I trust them both but any piece of equiptment can fail ... any of them!
 
I sold my carbine it was 100% reliable with factory mags (stay clear of the PRO MAGS they were jam o matics). If they would just design the things to take glock mags I'd still own it.
 
Hi-point prodution numbers (from ATF website) I was seriously suprised to find out just how many firearms hi-point makes. now they can't put up numbers like S&W, remington, or Ruger, but they they've been in the top five for numbers produce for almost 10 years now.

Year - pistols manufactured
2009 - 136,500
2008 - 123,560
2007 - 121,240
2006 - 111,620
2005 - 98,800
2004 - 101,670
2003 - 101,970
2002 - 78,984
2001 - 64,208
2000 - 62,250
1999 - 41,610
1998 - 29,765
1997 - 19,906
1996 - 20,915
1995 - 14,320
1994 - 25,228
1993 - 32,221
Total - 1,183,767

Year - Rifles manufactured
2009 - 24,000
2008 - 14,300
2007 - 19,200
2006 - 15,400
2005 - 14,600
2004 - 15,200
2003 - 7,310
2002 - 19,990
2001 - 13,450
2000 - 12,390
1999 - 33,100
1998 - 28,642
1997 - 25,100
1996 - 8,700
Total - 236,182

grand total = 1,419,949 total firearms manufactured by hi-point going as far back as I could find reliable information, and that doesn't include this year or last years numbers, which will add a probable 250,000-300,000 more.

bear that 1.5 million number in mind when you consider the frequency of a catastrophic failure(or any failure for that matter), of which I've only been able to find a single example of that was not second hand, third party, anecdotal evidence.
 
Googling ANY gun maker and "failure" will produce plenty of results. What I find amusing is how few of them concern Hi-points as opposed to other makers. Every company risks a moron or two doing something to make their pistol blow up. Having "Kimber" or "h&K" on the slide doesn't preclude some moron loading his "special" hand-loads and blowing apart the gun. Once again, the ragging on Hi-ponts is based largely on internet heresay than rock solid facts. Of course, as anyone who has read the thousands of Hi point threads out there knows....the biggest experts concerning Hi-points are those that have maybe seen on in their dealer's case. their opinion is somehow supposed to be taken seriously over the people who have put thousands upon thousands of rounds downrange with one. never ceases to amaze me the number of "experts" whoi haven't even handled one and instead repeat the same rumors and horror stories they were told, likely creating another "Hi Point Expert" in the process....it seems to be a never ending cycle. Even the ONE incident directly linked to has a variety of theories regarding that outcome, not all them malfunction related or a result of poor workmanship
 
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I do not have a hipoint pistol but besides price the main thing going for them is reliability. Usually! We do have one member on here whom I believe to be finger less bc he said on a hipoint thread before that he has had dozens of them literally blow up in his hand!! And he said he has shot dozens and dozens of them and never had one go bang twice in a row. Actually, I may believe the second part. I mean, if they all blow up in your hand you can't fire it again. That's a no brainer. Maybe he will posts pics of what's left of his hands to show us the dangers of these death trap guns.
 
Dave, I don't know if your comments are directed at me although i never claimed to be an expert. Like i said, i do own a highpoint 9 mm and have shot a 9 mm carbine numerous times. To me, one of the biggest concerns of the catastrophic failure picture is the type of metal used. I know, Glocks are said to use a lower quality metal as well but their coating process gives them such a hardness rating that it even makes them extremely difficult to machine.

I personally doubt hipoint has a bad repuation just because of made up internet hearsay. There is no subversive plot to bring down hipoint. If one is going to disregad all internet reports that don't support their view why be on these boards at all? All internet reports aside, all I need to do is handle a hipoint gun to know it aint made to a high standard. In my experience that type of evaluation tends to work well when determining the quality of a machine or tool. Another good indicator is to look at what is used by professionals. I think one would have a hard time finding a cop or soldier carrying one. He'd probably never hear the end of it from colleagues.
 
We do have one member on here whom I believe to be finger less bc he said on a hipoint thread before that he has had dozens of them literally blow up in his hand!! And he said he has shot dozens and dozens of them and never had one go bang twice in a row. Actually, I may believe the second part.
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Now that is interesting. If a gun ever blew up in my hand, I'd probably throw that thing straight into the garbage instead of buying more and shooting them :neener:
 
Had a 995 that I put a red dot reflex on. It was fun and accurate. Had 2 15 round promags that jammed every 10 or so rounds. The trigger sucks! The finish began to surface rust after 1 day if shooting at outdoor covered range on a sprinkling morning, when I went to clean it the day after. Plain and simple, they are cheap! In cost and quality. I absolutely would never use a pistol carbine for home protection. It's still a pistol round! & you've increased the chance of wall over penetration.

I came to these conclusions.
1. It was costing me $ in shooting more 9mm
2. It was costing me shooting time that would've been better utilized with my pistol.
3. There are better alternatives for plinking and or HD.

I paid $225 for mine in sale. You could get a sub2000 for $350-$400. I sold mine & haven't replaced it. Actually, I have. S&W M&P15-OR for $699. You can even get the new M&P15-Sport for about $500. That I would use for plinking and HD.
 
My friend bought one. I snickered at first but he has shot that thing to death and I have yet to see it fail.
 
I know that HP has a lifetime warranty on these things, but as some have said, after several thousand rounds and the whole thing gets worn out, do they simple replace the rifle wholesale? Also, would installing the ATI stock affect warranty? I've heard that the 995's stock incorporates a recoil reducer that helps to prolong the life of the mechanism.
 
ive been looking for one for awhile cheap.i dont get out much lately tho either.im thinking a heavy leather scabbard on the tractor fender would be a awesum place for it to reside.
 
worn out?
Ive never heard of them wearing out
and if it does send it back to HP they will fix replace or restore ANYTHING on them free forever no matter who owns it
I can shoot the gun to absolute exhaustion and its still a no hassle no question asked oh so you blew the barrel out again Mr Shanks go ahead send it in warranty

I do love the youtube torture tests I have seen especially the one where the guy had to plug the barrel while shooting an overload to finally do it in
or the one where the guy shoots the target to slidelock and then chucks the pistol at it
 
I've got a 995 and I'm very happy with it. I am in the process of making a plywood & epoxy stock that includes a mag well that should hold a Glock 17 mag at the proper feeding angle. No other mods, everything just drops in.

Just because it intrigues me... .
 
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