It's about our elected officials selling their votes to an inexcusably powerful lobby

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Well at least this person isn't pretending that the lawful commerce law is about protecting gun manufacturers from all lawsuits.

She does believe however, that gun makers are responsible for keeping guns out of the wrong hands :rolleyes: :barf:




http://warrenreports.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/10/21/5508/1714


You know, this one really infuriates me. And whether you're a committed proponent of gun control or a responsible and legal gun owner, it should infuriate you too.

Because passage Thursday of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act is about something bigger than whether you'd like to see more or fewer firearms on our streets. It's about our elected officials selling their votes to an inexcusably powerful lobby, and in so doing, selectively exempting a lucrative industry from being responsible to every American citizen for its unique product. It's about a government stripping us of one of our fundamental rights to address grievances in situations where those grievances are warranted, and demand responsibility of those who profit from the distribution of weapons in our society. It's about an NRA-funded White House and Congress creating binding, federal legislation as a solution to a problem that never existed.

It's about buying the law.

Manufacturers and distributors of firearms argue that other products, and their creators, are not threatened when those products are misused by irresponsible individuals. That is true, for the most part. People do have responsibilities for their behavior, and for using their purchases in the manner intended.

That's just it, though. In the manner intended. The firearms industry doesn't make cars, or refrigerators, or crown molding. The firearms industry makes and sells a product whose very purpose is to destroy, injure, and kill. And please, no "target practice" arguments. If The Quest For A Bullseye is truly your thing, 21st Century technology offers you plenty of alternatives to a loaded 9mm.

Of course, these companies have the absolute American right to manufacture and distribute that product. Even I would concede that, sadly, the human species hasn't yet grown up enough not to need weapons in certain desperate situations. And private gun ownership is a Constitutionally guaranteed privilege, whatever your personal view.

But let's tell it like it is, kids. Guns are designed with one ultimate consumer use in mind. It only seems logical, then, that the industry should have a spontaneous, genuine, vigorous interest in making sure that this deadly product is distributed under the strictest of guidelines - and many tough regulations already exist. That just makes sense, for the safety and protection of gun opponents and gun owners alike.

And in those few instances where there is enough negligence, or complicity, or carelessness during that process that it's a demonstrable factor in the commission of a crime, shouldn't we the people have a guaranteed right to punish all the offenders? There aren't many that fit that description, so what possible reason could there be to protect a handful of rotten apples from any and all accountability - at our expense - and to immediately dismiss those pending cases which obviously had enough merit to have made it to trial in the first place?!

This is not a partisan howl, nor even a pro-gun/anti-gun debate. This is Red, White and Blue disgust with the unmistakable image of our government leaders, standing on a secluded street corner and whoring their wares to the highest bidder, instead of ensuring the legal protection of their constituents. Our laws should not be dictated by lobbyists or corporate contributions - and our rights as American citizens should not be on the market at any price.
 
If that leftist garbage wasn't abusing the judicial system to push a political agenda or looking for a big paycheck from a 3rd party the lawsuit shield wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.

Beretta USA was put in triple jeopardy in that Dix case in California. That case where the Dix got shot and killed by his moron best friend playing with a Beretta handgun. Nevermind breaking every one of the 4 rules, the grabbers argued the Beretta handgun didn't have a loaded chamber indicator. Beretta showed them it did. Case dismissed. Then activist judges dredged the same exact bloody case up 2 more times after that.

Whiny liberal voice "nah no lawsuit abuse there, it's for the children!"
 
This is not a partisan howl, nor even a pro-gun/anti-gun debate. This is Red, White and Blue disgust with the unmistakable image of our government leaders, standing on a secluded street corner and whoring their wares to the highest bidder, instead of ensuring the legal protection of their constituents. Our laws should not be dictated by lobbyists or corporate contributions - and our rights as American citizens should not be on the market at any price.
Lots of places to start so I'll begin at the end. If the NRA bought off our elected representatives the paper trail is out there for everyone to see. It should be quite simple for an enterprising "journalist" to pick up the paper trail and publish it for all to see. Simple, except for the possiblity there is no paper trail and that the "buying off" simply did not happen, but why bring logic into the discussion.

The author is right. Laws should not be dictated by lobbiests or corporations. But then again when the legislature is involved in a continuing shakedown of anyone or anything with money, why should not these entities develop means of self protection? Why not start to clean out the system right now. Take money completely out of the process? How? Very simple. Remove all limitations on political donations combined with 100% transparency. Every campaign has one set of books. All money used by the campaign goes into and out of the books. Those books are on the website of the bank holding the account. Donations would not be available for use until after the donation is listed on the website. All donations would have full contact information including names and contact information of principals. Sunshine is the best disinfectant available.

An the part about our rights not being on the market . . . . . Don't get me started on that particular slice of idiocy.
 
I wanted to post a response but couldn't figure out how to do it. Fortunately, a couple of people did it for me. Here's one of them:
So, if I run over somebody in my car, the victim's survivors, or the city where he lives, should be able to sue the car manufacturer? And if I kill my wife with a kitchen knife, the knife manufacturer should be held responsible? I don't think so.

You're right about one thing, though. Guns are designed to kill people. The honest and law-abiding, most of us, kill only in self defense. Criminals kill so they can steal stuff, or just for fun. Take our guns away by sueing the gun manufacturers out of existence, and the criminals will still kill people. They'll just use clubs and knives and screwdrivers instead of guns. We the honest, however, will lose one of the best known tools for defense of ourselves and our families.

It's sad commentary on the idiocy of some of our so-called leaders that this law was necessary. Any lawsuit that attempts to hold the manufacturer or seller of a tool responsible for its abuse should be laughed out of court, with prejudice, and the person bringing the suit should be liable for twice the manufacturer's or seller's defense costs.
 
Of course, it's not a problem for this person when the likes of the RIAA/MPAA spend gobs of money to buy off the FCC and Congress to have draconian copyright laws passed. :scrutiny:
 
Well, I (almost) agree with her.

I am upset about the bill becoming law, not because it protects the manufacturers, but because it should not be necessary in the first place.

If the idiot advocate judges had two brain cells to rub together then they would realize that the only person responsible for a crime being committed with a gun is the person holding the gun.

As for legislators whoring themselves to the highest bidder, it's probably true. But that is a topic for a different day.
 
They are always saying they are designed to kill and yet there are many things that kill many more people than guns. I guess guns need to be redesigned so they are more effective. As some have said before " Mine must be defective because they havn't killed anyone"
 
While I have no doubt our legislators are for sale, I seriously doubt the NRA has enough money to buy very many of them.
 
What if people starting suing the movie industry or newspapers attempting to hold them liable for acts of violence?

Would the author argue that people should be able to sue the media out of existence? How would the author view a bill to create strict liability for the media and the acts of criminals?
 
If that leftist garbage wasn't abusing the judicial system to push a political agenda or looking for a big paycheck from a 3rd party the lawsuit shield wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.

Exactly. The gun-grabber wing of the left shot their whole group (and the public at large) in the foot, by bringing on the wrath of NRA and thus this law.

The law in a broad sense is a bad idea (it's not a good idea to take power out of the hands of jurors, one of the last forms of power the people have over the government/corporate monolith). BUT, here, this law was all but necessary because of the targeted lawsuits that were based in the weakest of weak legal arguments, and designed to bleed the industry into bankruptcy, not right wrongs. If they had stuck to meritorious claims against the true abusers (such as the STORE in the malvo/mohammed case which LOST guns), and not unfairly sued the innocent (such as Bushmaster in the malvo/mohammed case, which did nothing more than manuf. a legal product), then we wouldn't be where we are. It's a bad precedent, since so-called 'tort reform' is generally an incredibly bad idea, since it's violative of spirit if not the letter of the 7th amendment right to a trial by jury, but in this instance, we as gun owners really had no choice.
 
And in those few instances where there is enough negligence, or complicity, or carelessness during that process that it's a demonstrable factor in the commission of a crime, shouldn't we the people have a guaranteed right to punish all the offenders?
This is a common thread in these tirades. Some people, who usually have no power to control their own lives, get so upset when bad things happen that they want to blame and punish the entire world. Those of us that our secure in our lives (and guns may be a part of that) have the wisdom to punish the limited number of true offenders when something goes wrong. Sometimes, when there's an accident or when the perpetrator is dead, there is no one to punish and we must be strong enough to accept that fact.

I think the best way to deal with gun-control advocates, NIMBY types, and friends of big-government is to give them all a copy of The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. When they can take care of their own lives acceptably, they won't feel the need to control others.
 
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