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Well ummmm can we line the antis up? sorry another thread

DH I agree, nothing we do will ever change the MSM or antis. Except maybe using them to hold targets and missing discretely? oops, did I type that? Strike that.

I will be the FIRST in line to take a newbie to the range for time throwing lead down range with my FIREARM :D

A day at the range will get the addiction started.
 
I not gonna try to sway any liberal antis, its a pure waste of time.
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It might be, but not always. Stranger things have happened, and if nothing else, it's worth the effort to show that gun owners are not crazy rednecks (assuming you both can have a rational conversation). Just doing that is a small victory for our side, even if you can't change their mind.
 
I like calling guns by at least the type or manufacturer, to avoid any confusion...Just like cars..I'll either address them as SUVs, crossovers, sedans, coupes, vans, jeeps, trucks or fords, gmcs, chevys, hondas, toyotas, etc....same with guns...I.E. "Gimme my pistol, rifle, shotgun, etc...gimme my Glock, Remington, Bushmaster, etc." If you have to use a more broader category, then yes, I guess the word "Firearm" would best suite guns as the word "Automobile" would suite vehicles. As some people just say "guns" instead of "firearms" and some people say "cars" instead of "automobiles." but when people generalize and say "weapons" or "vehicles," you can pretty much clear up what they MEAN to say with a simple question or two...It really isn't a big deal; it's really not.
 
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What?! I guess I got ripped off then or I need a bigger safe so when I do get some guns. Like I said earlier I call them gun, rifles, shotguns and pistols. I know what you mean about the term weapon though and the anti's attempt to demonize them. I for one don't use the term. I think it is a lame term that can describe most anything. I haven't met too many gun owners that actually refer to their guns as weapons. So you may be barking up the wrong tree.
 
Hi TRguy,



Good mentions..good thinking...


Indeed...

I have carried since the mid 1960s...never once brandished, never drew on anyone (that they knew of, anyway )...never shot or shot at anyone.

I have been driving since the late 1960s, and, owned Cars and Trucks continuously, and, never harmed anyone in my driving.

I have owned and carried Pens and Pencils since childhood...and, I have never lacerated or stabbed anyone with either.


What to some, is the emotional appeal of the term 'Weapon' has indeed been over-indulged in my opinion, high-jacking emotion of the gullible or impressionable or needy, derailing quality of thought and preventing cogent association-building and preventing broader contextual insight.


A firearm is a Firearm...a Motor Vehicle, is a Motor Vehicle...a Pen, is a Pen, a Hammer, a Hammer, and so on, endlessly.

Some items/artefacts may be intentionally made to favor or emphacise certain attributes or their potential applications.


A 'Weapon', to be a Weapon, lay in how something is used, and, to my mind, is not intrinsically 'in' the somehing itself other than as a potential, or, a potenial applicaion.

Same with a Hand...and it's potential applications, however diverse, however so.


As a Country, our thinking generally has been messed with for so long now, and, in so many ways, which prevent or thrwart cogent perception, and which derail our potential for cogent assembly of associations and values.


Your address on this sidelight is very important, and, without these orders of clearity, 'Freedom' is just another emotionalized and pre-packaged consumer-product word, preventing realization of anything but a facile allusion wihout substance, while patronizing the victims of the very emotional high-jacking which underlay their impulse 'buy' or to have already bought, of any of the 'Big-Sells'...the subtler ones, especially...


Good going...to have shone some light on this...


Those who cannot see it...will of course, not 'see' it...


"What Rinosaurous???"




Phil
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You can call it anything you want, it is what it is. What you use it for has nothing to do with what it is. The shotguns I use to shoot at target clays are no less deadly because I prefer to shoot clay over pheasant. Neither are the pistols and rifles I shoot less dangerous because I most often shoot them at paper targets. All can be weapons or hobby items or even collectables.
 
I like that says he instructs but has no idea what he instructs with. Guns are as much weapons as atomic bombs just lighter to carry.
 
I instruct with real pistols and revolvers, also have a dummy red beretta PX4 simulation pistol.

Take a local NRA Basic Pistol class and you should have a fair representation of what instructors teach with in the classroom. That is if they teach Basic Pistol in the People Socialist Republic of Canada, Eh?
 
Is anyone else reminded of Alice's conversation with Humpty Dumpty?

When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.'

Read the whole exchange, it is fun and instructive.
 
We actually have better course's because to teach up here you have to be approved by the goverment not a private group. Even the military teachs it's a weapon. If you mention gun they start looking for the ship in your back pocket.
 
and when you are peeling the apple the knife isnt serving as a weapon, when you are hammering a nail, the hammer isnt serving as a weapon, and when you are driving your care prudently, the car is not a weapon...

all of the above are/or have the potential to be weapons at any moment... guns are ALL the same way.... they are a tool for use in entertainment, hunting, and protection. If at any time you are in the presence of a gun with any thought that you would use it to protect yourself if is a weapon...


It is an endless but elementary argument... it is a weapon.
 
I just popped in my copy of Magpul Dynamics' Art of the Tactical Carbine while waiting for dinner.

Wanna guess what he calls his AR-15 at least 8 different times in the first 2 minutes of the cleaning & dissassembly portion?
 
"Why the need to use the term weapon so much in general civilian conversation?"

Because that's what it is?

Who appointed you English tsar?

John
 
Well, this isn't the first time I've heard this debate. Personally, I agree with it in most contexts. Reminding anti-gun folks that these are merely "firearms" and not "weapons" can certainly throw them off balance for a minute or two, though I doubt that it really changes anyone's point-of-view by itself.

Still, I do refer to my work pistol as my "duty weapon", and I've been known to refer to my work rifle as a "weapon", though I most often simply call it "my rifle". Ultimately this discussion is largely an issue of semantics, as the purpose the gun serves will determine what it is, rather than what it is called. In other words, my work pistol is a weapon, and is carried for that purpose (whether it is an offensive or defensive weapon is irrelevant, it is still a weapon by definition). Conversely, some would refer to my range toys as weapons, when they are (for my sake) simply a hobby-related tool!

As someone else mentioned, even a ball point pen can be a weapon, it all depends on how you intend to use it!

Anyway, I'm rambling, and will stop now!
 
KenWP, Ohhhhhhh so the government teaches you. They do everything else so well.

Hey, I'm from the government and I am hear to help. :barf:. I will take my instruction from a private organization anytime over big brother especially if my big brother is a self affirmed socialist regime. Government has one goal towards firearm owners, control. Their confiscation history and ultimate goal in the Great White North is well documented for all to read. Might do Canada well if they had a private organization as strong as the NRA willing to stand for the rights of your citizenry.

As far as military using the term weapon. Please refer to the original OP, of course the military refers to it as a weapon, I clearly stated that in the last sentence of my OP.
 
The weapon is the grey matter between your ears. The tool used just happens to be an instrument of the system of person, object, and knowledge utilized for a favorable outcome.
I like the term firearm because it denotes a tool/ inannimate object.
 
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