J. Sutherland percussion rifle maker?

[ApacheCoTodd]

I put up a question in the firearms research section but no joy yet.

Figured I'd try here.

Scored this at the Round Top antique show.

Loved the look, heft (ee-gads!) and the price but very short on info.

She's a 52 inch long, 14.25 lb. beastie.

1 1/8 inch octagonal barrel.

Just a touch under .40 cal. with 6 wide grove rifling.

The only marking ANYWHERE is as shown on the lock-plate; J. Sutherland Flint.

Any insight or a direction to point me would be greatly appreciated as I have exhausted my usually quite sufficient books and internet search techniques.

Todd.

 

[TheOutlawKid]

Wish i could help but i have no info to provide...but wanted to comment on the nice score you made. Congrats! If you dont mind me asking...would you mind sharing what you paid for it?

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Wish i could help but i have no info to provide...but wanted to comment on the nice score you made. Congrats! If you dont mind me asking...would you mind sharing what you paid for it?

Just a couple hundred bucks.

Needs work that I love doing and is missing the threaded-in target sight but has the basic rear iron at least.

Todd.

 

[arcticap]

The only marking ANYWHERE is as shown on the lock-plate; J. Sutherland Flint.
Any insight or a direction to point me would be greatly appreciated as I have exhausted my usually quite sufficient books and internet search techniques.

Have you tried the antique gun collecting sub-forum on the AmericanLongRifles forums?
A lot of folks post inquires about antique rifles there.

https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php

When I checked, the name Sutherland did not come up in their database.
The closest match was for a gunsmith named Castle Southerland of Ann Arbor which the last name has a different spelling.
However, the info. was posted by a JCKelly who wrote a book named Michigan Gunsmiths.
He may be someone to ask for info. --->>> https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=17503.msg163872#msg163872

I'm assuming that Flint refers to the name of the town.

"It is the fourth largest metropolitan area in Michigan with a population of 425,790 in 2010. The city was incorporated in 1855.
Flint was founded as a village by fur trader Jacob Smith in 1819 and became a major lumbering area on the historic Saginaw Trail during the 19th century."

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Have you tried the antique gun collecting sub-forum on the AmericanLongRifles forums?

Thank you very much for that heads-up to a forum of which I was unaware.

Looks like just the place for a start and an interesting forum to frequent as my interests take a slow turn to the archaic.

Merry Christmas to you.

Todd.

 

[kBob]

Perhaps the lock is all that was made by this Sutherland fellow. It appears to have started life as a flint lock and been converted. I wonder if the Sutherland lock makers in London (1790- 1847) began marking the lock plates for the type of ignition they were built for after percussion became common?

Perhaps the word Flint was added later as the type seems finer. Perhaps the person that put parts together to make this gun was named Flint.

Are there any markings on the barrel or metal fittings?

-kBob

 

[arcticap]

Thank you very much for that heads-up to a forum of which I was unaware.
Looks like just the place for a start and an interesting forum to frequent as my interests take a slow turn to the archaic.
Merry Christmas to you.
Todd.

Funny thing was that I found that thread by typing the wrong name into the ALR search box.
Many folks on the ALR forum are builders with a lot of knowledge about rifle types.
They may be able to shed some light on the stock design or could be familiar with the name.
If they come up with anything then please let us know too.
Merry Christmas and good luck.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Perhaps the lock is all that was made by this Sutherland fellow. It appears to have started life as a flint lock and been converted. I wonder if the Sutherland lock makers in London (1790- 1847) began marking the lock plates for the type of ignition they were built for after percussion became common?

Perhaps the word Flint was added later as the type seems finer. Perhaps the person that put parts together to make this gun was named Flint.

Are there any markings on the barrel or metal fittings?

-kBob

Nope, not a single other import, manufacturer, custom or informational marking anywhere on any part or component of the gun.

Todd.