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Jew without a gun

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by XD 45acp, Dec 31, 2012.

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  1. XD 45acp

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    Excellent read -- I lived in LA during that time and still remember how it felt . . .
     
  3. A.Fischer

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    Powerful reminder of why we can't let up our fight. Also a perfect example of why it's my right to own an AR-15 or other such rifle.
     
  4. Rembrandt

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    Excellent read.....should be part of the Congressional record. Reminds me of the fear the WWII residents of the Warsaw Gettos must have gone through.
     
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    Zombies, solar flares, viruses, government crackdown..... That story illustrates the realistic threat.... At least to this urban dweller.
     
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    Very good write-up. Large cities are death traps in times of crisis; be it civil unrest, massive strikes, or outbreak. The suburbs are a little better but not by much.

    Here's to a Safe & Happy New Year.
     
  7. 19-3Ben

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    Wow. great post. Thank you for linking to this. I'm going to send this man's blog posting to all of my family.

    And here is to all of us continuing to ensure that safety for ourselves!!
     
  8. scaatylobo

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    This Jew

    I was taken to the movie Mien Kampf by my parents when I was about 11 years old.

    I never EVER forgot those images.

    It was a turning point as it made me ask THE question,why did the Jews not fight back against such horrible crimes.

    My answer was to see that generations of allowing 'progroms' allowed the average Jewish family to stay their hand and be abused.

    This Jew learned to fight back at a very young age and it has proven to me that you get hurt a good deal less is you attack before your beaten.

    As to having a gun,I still discuss the matter with non Jews often,they cannot understand why all Jews do not own an arsenal.

    The expression "NEVER AGAIN" was supposed to be the calling card of the new generation of Jew after all 6 MILLION were killed in the camps.

    This Jew gets it = NEVER AGAIN.
     
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    As does this one
     
  10. Zoogster

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    The reason is they were optimistic that it could be resolved. First that they were just going to ghettos temporarily. Then that they were just going to labor camps and it was temporary. That if they went with the program they wouldn't be killed.
    It is similar to the crime victim that thinks if they just cooperate they will be okay. Typically that is correct, until it isn't. When it isn't that cooperation that allowed the predator to get into a position of even more advantage means fighting back is even less likely to be successful.
    You saw that in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. Fighting back by that time was a lot less successful than if those rounding people up had been fought initially, and those behind the roundups had been counter attacked.



    Pogroms also don't get proper historical context in modern times with our PC society.
    The reason for many pogroms dating back centuries had to do with Jews being in control of a lot of banking dating back to the middle ages in Europe.
    The reason for this was that it was a crime in many places for christians to loan money for interest. Merely loaning money for interest was considered the sin of usery (today it is a more defined legal term for excessive interest). At a time when the christian church had both its own courts, and a lot of influence in law.
    A christian loaning money for interest could be tried and convicted of a crime.
    Jews however were often not held to those standards, winning the freedom to operate outside of the christian courts or being given various exemptions.
    This allowed Jews to give loans that the Christian majority legally often couldn't, or in other places where not outright outlawed would be considered a sinner.

    This meant Jews got an early start in banking before the merchant class became dominant and consumerism widespread. So they were the dominant force many places even afterwards.
    This had many obvious benefits.
    However it also had a very big downside.
    That downside is when economies got tough, and people had a lot of debt. Those the population was in debt to for amounts they didn't want to or could not pay back become hated and despised. The fact that they are a different culture and religion with different customs and values just allows that to get even stronger as it became clear people were in debt primarily to jews.
    This would result in most of the various pogroms at times, as the christian majority would lash out at the jewish minority.
    So it was not merely a racial thing, but often a financial thing that could be expressed through racism.




    As for Jews and guns. I am glad to see more embracing firearms. Many of the biggest antis in power in our country are jews, so it is certainly good to see strong pro-gun jews as well.
    We have some great strong Jewish supporters of our rights.
    With a history of trouble with various populations I would think Jews would be one of the segments of the population most desiring to be armed.
     
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    Zoogster thank you replying exactly what I was thinking.

    And I'll give that a 'ditto' as well.
     
  12. GEM

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    At the NTI one year, there were four Jews in that small group, IIRC.

    However, we all had PhDs. How about that? :D I discuss the issue in one of my sig links.
     
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    Scatylobo, said,

    And this gentile has your 6.
     
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    Excellent reading. I wish some of my Jewish family would take this to heart. Unfortunately, they're out there supporting anti 2A lawmakers.
     
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    Outstanding read. Thanks for posting it.

    I've watched my Jewish sister-in-law go from hard left to fairly hard-right in the course of 30 years.

    Most of her Polish immigrant Detroit family thinks she's gone off the deep end.

    Oh well. At least she's showing progress.
     
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    I thought it was a great first person description of the terrible events that occured at that moment in history. It provoked exactly the thoughts inside me that it was intended to provoke and my first reaction was to copy the link and forward it to all my friends and family members, many of whom aren't really keen on gun ownership.

    But as I replayed the story over and over in my head and thought it through I began to wonder if using this as my "Poster Story" for gun rights is really a good idea. After all, the author was able to use resources other than a gun to extract himself and his family from danger and keep them safe. Further, the story highlights the fact that Law Enforcement, who you would assume would be heavily armed and well trained, pulled back because the situation was too dangerous. This just seems to support the antis' position that more guns aren't the answer. Granted, the part about the Koreans using superior firepower is a compelling argument but that almost seems to be a side note to the main story.

    Am I alone in this interpretation?
     
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    I have seen the laws that state,after a Federal lawsuit the police are NOT held responsible for the safety of the people.

    This is easy to find and it is a VERY sore spot that is TOTALLY ignored by all anti-gun polls and the groups that support that as a means to stop crime etc.

    I was an LEO for 26 years and often heard "a Jew thats a cop" ,said in amazement.

    As a shooter and retired LEO,I get many calls from those still on the job as to information and leads on how,who,what,where,and why of guns and gun 'control'

    I am asked for arguments and for support due to the beliefs by SO many that guns are easy to buy with NO paperwork,this from OFFICERS too.

    Ignorance is amazing high when it comes to hoplophobia [fear of guns ] yes the disease has a name [ hope I spelled it correctly ].

    Sad that its true,but as LaPierre said = the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun IS A GOOD GUY WITH ONE.

    And of course the training to use it.

    I would LOVE to see ,force on force traing available to all who wish to get it.

    In their own communitys and easily accessed.
     
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    Quite right, however, keep in mind that he's simply relating the story as it actually happened to him.
    I'm sure at the time he wasn't tailoring his actions so that they'd make a great 'pro-gun' article in the future. He was doing whatever he needed to in order to survive.
    If anything it goes to show that the weapon is your brain. A gun is just a tool. In his case, he managed to survive without one, but his life and his family would have had a bit more security if he had the proper tools at his disposal.
     
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    What I've wondered for years is why the leading antis are Jews? I'm not against Jews by any means so don't take this as so, but Bloomberg, Shumer, Fienstien...? I would think that most Jews would be 100% in favor of 2nd amendment rights after losing almost 6 million in WW II. Why the burning desire to rid the free world of guns?
     
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    The Second Amendment = Never Again. For ANY of us.
     
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    Fantastic retelling of what must have been a horriffic night. This is why I carry a rifle in my truck and a handgun on my side - because you never know where and when something may happen that changes your life forever, or threatens to end it.

    Well written and very true. I hope he buys a rifle soon, the 1911 may not be enough.
     
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    I refer to the Glock in my trunk as my Reginald Denny Gun. My living body will not be pulled from a vehicle.
     
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    Awesome, powerful story... should be required reading for congresscritters. Also reminds me how much I dislike cities.
     
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    A graphic example of many reasons to keep your guns regardless of the governments attempts to take them away.
     
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    The author dressed up the article a bit too much but a great reminder on why we "need" AR-15's, standard capacity magazines, etc.

    I like the part:
    "It's the Bill of Rights not the Bill of needs".
     
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