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CNN: Gaffe casts doubts on electronic voting

Monday, September 15, 2003 Posted: 5:41 PM EDT (2141 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/09/15/electronic.voting.ap/index.html

SAN JOSE, California (AP) -- The strange case of an election tally that appears to have popped up on the Internet hours before polls closed is casting new doubts about the trustworthiness of electronic voting machines.

During San Luis Obispo County's March 2002 primary, absentee vote tallies were apparently sent to an Internet site operated by Diebold Election Systems Inc., the maker of the voting machines used in the election.

At least that's what timestamps on digital records showed.

County election officials say the unexplained gaffe probably didn't influence the vote, and Diebold executives -- who only recently acknowledged the lapse -- say voters should have confidence in the election process.

Further evidence of problems
But computer programmers say the incident is further evidence that electronic voting technology could allow a politically connected computer hacker to monitor balloting and, if the vote was going the wrong way, mobilize voters to swing the election.

"If you're at the state party headquarters and you know how the vote is going in a county, you can allocate scarce resources to the county where you're losing by a close margin," said Jim March, a computer system administrator from Milpitas who examined ballot results that ended up on a Diebold site without password protection. "This data is incredibly valuable to a campaign manager."

Silicon Valley computer experts have long criticized touch-screen voting machines, which do not normally provide a paper receipt and which send digital votes directly to a computer server. Programmers say software bugs, power outages or clever hackers could easily delete or alter data -- and recounts would prove impossible without paper backups.

Problems with optical scan
San Luis Obispo County relies on the more popular "optical scan" system used in 34 of California's 58 counties.

Programmers say the March 2002 incident casts suspicion on any election system that depends on computers -- even the relatively low-tech optical scan, which relies on paper ballots and uses computers only to store and send data.

Voters who cast optical scan ballots typically use a pencil to fill in a bubble near their candidate's name on a sheet of paper, similar to standardized tests. Poll workers feed the ballots into a scanner, which records results on a precinct computer.

After polls close, results are sent to a central server via modem. Anytime modems are involved, hackers get an opportunity to intercept data, computer security experts say.

March said he found absentee ballot totals from 57 of 164 San Luis Obispo County precincts in an easily accessible File Transfer Protocol site operated by North Canton, Ohio-based Diebold. The votes were time-stamped at 3:31 p.m. on March 5, 2002 -- more than four hours before polls closed.

By law, election officials cannot release tallies until voting is finished -- typically 8 p.m. on election day. Activists discovered the data in January.

Investigation continues
Diebold, which won't say when the data showed up on the site, acknowledged the incident and says it is investigating how the data ended up on a public Internet site.

Deborah Seiler, Diebold's West Coast sales representative, said Diebold engineers may have published the results as part of a test -- possibly days, weeks or months after the county primary, regardless of the time stamp. She said a system of checks and balances safeguards Diebold's 33,000 voting machines nationwide from fraud.

"These activists don't understand what they're looking at," Seiler said.

County election officials insist the primary was fair. No one has called for a criminal investigation or recount. Most local supervisors were running unopposed, and the winning candidates and proposals enjoyed large margins.

County clerk-recorder Julie L. Rodewald said she was "concerned" about the results winding up online, but she has no plans to get rid of Diebold equipment.

Complicating poll jobs
March questioned why San Luis Obispo County's server connected to a Diebold server at all -- particularly if it dialed out while polls were open. He said the "phone home" incident could have been the work of an incompetent or malicious Diebold insider, or an outside hacker. Any astute campaign manager could have profited, he said.

Kim Alexander, president of the Davis, California-based nonprofit California Voter Foundation, said computers have benefited the election process by speeding vote counts. But technology has complicated poll workers' jobs, and the San Luis Obispo County incident and other mysterious errors have raised alarming security concerns.

"In our quest to deliver faster, more accurate election results, we've left the voting process wide open to new forms of attack and mismanagement," Alexander said.
 
Good work, Jim!

Now what is California going to do? The 9th Circus says you can't use punch card ballots because illegal aliens may not know how to use them . . . I mean, because they've been used for decades without a problem except in south Florida where the chads weren't cleaned out for decades . . . I mean, because . . . because the new, all electronic method is SOOOOO much more reliable to produce whatever outcome those in control want . . . I mean, . . . Do I sound cynical?

Let's just enjoin elections in California indefinately. :neener:
 
No electronic voting machines allowed. No punch-card machines allowed. Solution: Kalifornians don't vote (exceptions made for THR members).
 
Let's say we go strictly pencil and paper. Let's say it takes two full days to count all the ballots, after the polls close.

Who's hurt, besides the mediahhhhh?

Is knowing election results on that Tuesday night or by the next morning going to be so important to you as a voter? You can't wait until, say, Thursday morning?

I bring this up because where I live, we use the paper ballots. We only get local-election results from our weekly paper, which comes out on Thursdays. Texas House and Senate races aren't publicized on satellite TV, and we don't get broadcast or cable TV. So, Wednesday or Thursday newspapers from "outside" are our only source, or the Internet.

But somehow, we've lived through it...

:), Art
 
The people of California cannot be trusted to vote properly. The illegal voting tallys should be piped to the 9th circus and the ACLU so that they could step in and assist if needed before the polls close and the citizens really screwed things up. C'mon- voting shouldn't be so difficult.
If Davis had a big fat comfortable lead in the polls, would these folks see any need to intervene???
 
March said he found absentee ballot totals from 57 of 164 San Luis Obispo County precincts in an easily accessible File Transfer Protocol site operated by North Canton, Ohio-based Diebold. The votes were time-stamped at 3:31 p.m. on March 5, 2002 -- more than four hours before polls closed.

Figures, I live just a short way away from them... At the company I work for (programming), we had to import 90% of our programmers.. cause there's no intelligent life in Ohio (I was imported too).

Figures..
 
Good Work Jim !

I found it interesting that my college recently held an election. I myself voted in the CIS/IT building...

We (like everyone else) concerned with security,worms and viruii...

Pencil and Paper Ballots :p

Nary a glitch....except I think for some it may have been the first time they actually have seen a pencil...or had to actually use one ...

Student ID, mark off list, pencil vote, allowed a week to vote, results in 2 days.

I recall " why make it simple when you can make it difficult"...seems to apply to a lot of stuff nowadays...
 
If I remember correctly, Bill Simon had a lead for most of the day - then, somehow, Gray Davis pulled it out and won.

Correlation only, but if someone did get totals and used them, isn't that about what we would see?
 
Jim held their feet to the fire again. Great work. Anything accessible from a net or subnet is vulnerable. Don't let the vote be by network.
 
No electronic voting machines allowed. No punch-card machines allowed. Solution: Kalifornians don't vote (exceptions made for THR members).

The solution is to allow to vote only those California residents who have owned a firearm for more than a year. If they haven't shot themselves in the face by then, they're smart enough to use a voting machine!
 
I'm disappointed to see your name in the news again without the words "gun nut" next to it. :) Haven't they talked to the California papers?
 
:D

My page on downloading the actual vote data and programs and testing them for yourself is back up (Diebold's lawyers like to throw nastygrams at them):

http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html

My "main vote page" at http://www.equalccw.com/voteprar.html is now updated with the latest dirt coming out of the internal memo stash. It's just...unreal :eek:.

Example: in Riverside, the "request for proposal" specified that every vote terminal be individually tested prior to the elections. Cool. You know how Diebold met the requirement, according to their INTERNAL notes?

They altered the firmware on the PC so that, instead of saying "memory test OK", it says "SYSTEM test OK", even though all it was checking was in fact the RAM.

:scrutiny:

I'm sure Riverside will be bloody pleased to hear THAT, no?

:banghead:
 
Deborah Seiler, Diebold's West Coast sales representative, said Diebold engineers may have published the results as part of a test -- possibly days, weeks or months after the county primary, regardless of the time stamp. She said a system of checks and balances safeguards Diebold's 33,000 voting machines nationwide from fraud.

"These activists don't understand what they're looking at," Seiler said.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

"Hey Mike -- do you have any pre-close election results I can put up on my server so I can test my election fraud theory?"

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I bet Ms. Seiler's statement went more like this...

Deborah Seiler, Diebold's West Coast sales representative, said Diebold engineers, uh--um, may, uh, have, uh, published the, ah, results, ah-uh-um, as part of a, uh, test -- yeah thats it -- possibly, uh-um, days, weeks, months or, uh, during the uh, i mean after the county primary, regardless, uh, of the, ah, time stamp. She said a system of checks and balances safeguards Diebold's 33,000 voting machines nationwide from fraud.

"These activists a just a bunch of gun-nuts," Seiler said.

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"These activists a just a bunch of gun-nuts," Seiler said.

Correction: aside from myself, the whole group of the activists dealing with this, starting with Bev Harris, were all liberal Democrats and generally anti-gun.

THREE of 'em have now asked me for purchase tips :). ALL of 'em are gaining a new respect for the RKBA.

"Ya know, maybe that whole bit about nobody but the gov't having guns is such a good idea after all!"

:rolleyes:

It's hilarious.
 
Remember, kids! In this modern day and age, the RKBA is obsolete. We have the ballot box now, and if the sitting government is corrupt, we can just ask Diebold and a panel of federal judges if we may pretty-please have a new one.
 
Jim, I know you have the press involved, but this seems like it should be national headlines. This seems like a scandal that Matt Drudge would run with. Have you been in contact w/ him? Just a suggestion. No need to answer on board.
 
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