John Kerry's position on the first and second amendments

[Stebalo]

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA341748?display=Top+of+the+Week



Kerry Takes Aim at 'NRA-TV'
Asks FEC to block Second Amendment group's First Amendment gambit

By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 12/15/2003

Abstract: Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry last week sent a letter to Federal Election Commission Chairman Ellen Weintraub urging her to prevent what he characterized as the National Rifle Association's attempt to "hijack the airwaves and use their special-interest millions to fund a steady stream of NRA-TV.
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Old news, obviously but I just saw that for the first time. Unfortunately, I can't access the full article. Apparently not only is he against an organization that lobbies for second amendment rights, he wants to suppress their first amendment rights to do so. He's got a lotta nerve considering what he had to say after coalition forces shut down the terrorist rag published by Moqtada al-Sadr and his crew. Remember, he called al-Sadr, the man urging the killing of US soldiers, a "legitimate voice". It is a fact. On NPR, he said in April, "they shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in Iraq."

John Kerry wants freedom of the press for terrorist leaders but not for the NRA. Apparently he doesn't consider the NRA a legitmate voice. Would it be unreasonable to extend that to he thinks our rights that the NRA is lobbying for are not legitimate as well?

news urging killing of US soldiers = "legitimate voice"
news urging 2A rights for US citizens = "hijacking the airwaves"


Interesting in how he uses terminology of a violent, terrorist action to describe the NRA.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

what he characterized as the National Rifle Association's attempt to "hijack the airwaves and use their special-interest millions to fund a steady stream of NRA-TV.

If you replace "National Rifle Association" with "Michael Moore" and replace "airwaves" with "movie theaters", what do you get?

Something Kerry supports 100%.

 

[capt_happypants]

He just doesn't like "those NRA people" to have a voice.

 

[sharpie613]

Kerry learned from his time in Vietnam that to let the people, like the Vietnamese(the native people of Vietnam which is where Kerry was when he was in Vietnam) that they can resist, like they did in Vietnam. Did I mention that Kerry was in Vietnam? The NRA provides that voice of the little people, which the people of Vietnam, where Kerry served, did not have.

Bush isn't perfect, but he is a far sight better than this _Animal Farm_ reject that the Democrats chose to run. Since it will be either Bush or Kerry, I don't think we have the luxury of voting for someone whom we agree with 100% anymore.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Guns/Hunting

Voted with the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence 100 percent of the time.

Voted with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent of the time.

Received an F from the National Rifle Association in 2002.

Received an F from Gun Owners of American for the 108th Congress.

Opposes the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (H.R. 1036 / S. 659), which grants gun manufacturers, distributors and dealers immunity from lawsuits.

Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. Bill S 2260 ; vote number 1998-216 on Jul 21, 1998

Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. Bill S.254 ; vote number 1999-111 on May 11, 1999

Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. Hatch Amendment #344; Bill S. 254 ; vote number 1999-118 on May 14, 1999

Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. Lautenberg Amdt #362; Bill S. 254 ; vote number 1999-134 on May 20, 1999

from here: www.kerryquotes.com

 

[ColoradoJeff]

Kerry, the First and Second

Kerry believes in the First so long as the group speaking says what he likes. Democratic 527 organizations are just fine. Republican only exist to fight him, so no, they are a violation of federal election law.

He also believes in the Second and "reasonable restrictions". Of course he knows what we need and he should be able to define what is reasonable and what is not. Check out the Kennedy Armor Piercing Ammo Bill as an example.

Sportsmen for Kerry? Yea, Right.

 

[Partisan Ranger]

Want to see if someone REALLY believes in the 1st Amendment? See how hard they fight for free speech for a group they don't agree with.

I generally loathe the ACLU, but I will absolutely stand arm in arm with them fighting 'campagin finance reform,' AKA in my house as the Death of the First Amendment.

Notice how Kerry doesn't seem too interested in freedom of speech for NRA? Pretty telling.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Fortunately, America isn't going to elect that Kerry creature.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

Standing Wolf,I wish that I had your confidence...

 

[madcowburger]

Yea, me too.

I don't fear that Kerry's going to win so much as I fear that Bush is going to *lose*. Bush is looking more and more like a loser every day. He just seems dazed and confused, or stunned like a deer caught in the headlights or something. He seems like a sleepwalker heading toward a cliff. He either says nothing or mangles whatever he tries to say. He can't seem to get his message out, or to use the truth even when it's on his side. He's gone out of his way to alienate his base by signing McCain-Feingold, encouraging illegal immigration, and saying he'll sign a renewal of the AWB.

Meanwhile, Kerry, with the near-100 percent collusion of the major media, is running a near-perfect "stealth campaign." Ninety-plus percent of the population knows absolutely *nothing* about Kerry except thet "He was in Vietnam" and "He's a hunter and a gun owner." That's it. And the 1st Amendment-killing McCain-Feingold "campaign finance reform" law makes it a crime to inform the public of Kerry's true views and real record.

I'm not one bit optimistic.

MCB

 

[Hack]

I don't think Kerry is so much against the NRA as he is against the competition, whoever that may be.
If the NRA were to endorse <cold chill> Kerry I think Kerry'd be all for them.
He's only for what'll benefit him personally.
If that happens to be good for the country, fine.
If not he'll spin it out to be for the country's good. And his sheep in their neverending stupidity will choke it all down. Hook, line and sinker.
I don't believe he's for Democrats or fags or the environment per se.
He's just another political opportunist out for himself.
Even Jimmy Carter, the worst president in American history, had good intentions screwey as they were.

This country is truly screwed if comrade kerry wins.

 

[toro]

Madcowbuger

I am very optimistic about Bush. I think Bush looks like a winner. Kerry just did a photo opp at a gun club. He was shooting skeet like all the rich people. He was not wearing his shooters glasses. Every shooter wears safety glasses. In fact at the two gun clubs I belong to, it is mandatory. What were his secrete servant agents thinking?

Bush is doing just fine and everyone I know just loves him as President. He is doing his job. He has a war going on and he has a lot on his mind. He is not a playboy like Kerry. Kerry has missed almost all his votes in the Senate. He is a playboy and all this will come out when the time is right.



Mrs. Toro

Luke 2:34,35
And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother. Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also, that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

 

[strambo]

Kerry has missed almost all his votes in the Senate.

He should run for Pres. every year!

 

[capt_happypants]

I'll venture that Bush will win, just because most people don't want angry people running the nation.

Reagan believed in America. Clinton, for all his faults, seemed like a guy having a darned good time in the White House.

John Kerry and the Democratic Party are *angry* at ills real and imagined, and they believe that will drive them right into the White House.

It worked so well for Bob Dole.

 

[Nightfall]

Apparently not only is he against an organization that lobbies for second amendment rights, he wants to suppress their first amendment rights to do so.

Main Entry: ty·rant
Pronunciation: 'tI-r&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tirant, from Old French tyran, tyrant, from Latin tyrannus, from Greek tyrannos
1 a : an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution b : a usurper of sovereignty
2 a : a ruler who exercises absolute power oppressively or brutally b : one resembling an oppressive ruler in the harsh use of authority or power

 

[DRZinn]

If anyone has a good sorce of quotes for this creature Kerry, I'd be willing to bet you could find one, in the context of the First Amendment, talking about how the rights are inalienable and the Bill of Rights doesn't grant that right, just enumerates it, and another, in the context of the Second Amendment, talking about how it's outdated and should be subject to "reasonable" restriction.

Or some such contradiction.

Anybody?

 

[w4rma]

"There Ought to be Limits to Freedom."
- George W. Bush, commenting on THIS web site (05/21/1999)
http://www.gwbush.com/multimedia/index.shtml

AP reported that White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said on Wednesday that Americans "need to watch what they say..."
http://www.buzzflashcom.bigstep.com/generic.html?pid=55

Quarantining dissent
How the Secret Service protects Bush from free speech

When President Bush travels around the United States, the Secret Service visits the location ahead of time and orders local police to set up "free speech zones" or "protest zones," where people opposed to Bush policies (and sometimes sign-carrying supporters) are quarantined. These zones routinely succeed in keeping protesters out of presidential sight and outside the view of media covering the event.

When Bush went to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, "The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us."

The local police, at the Secret Service's behest, set up a "designated free-speech zone" on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush's speech.

The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, but folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president's path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign.

Neel later commented, "As far as I'm concerned, the whole country is a free-speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind."

At Neel's trial, police Detective John Ianachione testified that the Secret Service told local police to confine "people that were there making a statement pretty much against the president and his views" in a so-called free- speech area.
<much more>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/01/04/INGPQ40MB81.DTL

 

[Gary H]

w4rma:

Isn't this topic about Kerry? We can Moore Bush on another thread. Sorry, I meant Gore Bush. Darn... you know how to do it. I mean, you know what I mean. My apologies to Moore and Gore..

 

[toro]

w4rma

So, you would like to see the protestors where they can take a pot shot at the President? Aren't we paying the secrete service to protect our President? I for one am sick to death of protestors. They always come out when the Democrats want to win. They cause all kinds of trouble. I just wonder why these protesters are not working. Oh, I'll bet they are working for the Democratic party. Sorry I'll bet they are Union members working for free. I don't want to see them and I don't want to hear them.

I believe this is done to protect the president. We are at war, and people can get into this country very easy. Just come down from Canada, or up from Mexico and your in the country. They did the same thing in the Clinton administration. Do you really think everyone loved Clinton? You couldn't get near him with a protest sign. What's good enough for Clinton is sure what's good enough for Bush. And that goes double for Kerry. Of course Kerry could protect himself, he is such an expert marksman. That's what they said after he only got 17 hits out of 21 on the skeet shooting. If he was good he would have gotten 21 out of 21. IMHO


Mrs. Toro


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1 Corinthians 7:1-3
Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence; and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

 

[Spot77]

This designated protest zone crap has been going on way before Bush, Clinton, Bush again, etc.

The troll knows this as it has been discussed in detail in other threads here and elsewhere.