Same with Google.
They pay per click. Ie., they pay a certain amount per unique visitor. This is Google's program (https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6382&hl=en_US)
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Same with Google.
They pay per click. Ie., they pay a certain amount per unique visitor. This is Google's program (https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6382&hl=en_US)
Standing Wolf
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Kind of like representatives of the Democratic (sic) party and voting.
mountainclmbr
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It seems that the Democrats fall into predictable patterns. If the only tool you have is a hammer then every task looks like a nail. To the Democrats every problem can be fixed with a hammer AND a sicle.
TheOtherOne
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Yep. While there are CPM (Cost per thousand impressions of the ad) campaigns that google adwords has started selling there is still a very good chance they are paying per click. They set a budget each month and I'm figuring it's better for us that know the website is a scam to use it up rather than some unsuspecting new hunter that is just getting into this whole world.Ieyasu said:
I'm all for bankrupting their internet budget, but if they weather the storm and survive the financial crunch they will use it as political leverage in any election in which they are invovled. I can see the headlines now:
"The AHSA has major support from gun-rights groups and advocates, yielding more than 356,000 website hits in the first month."
There has to be a better way to get the word out without giving them any way to use the attack as leverage in the future.
alpineman
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Did any of you read the section on "A Gun In The Home For Self Protection?" Whoever wrote that must be exhausted from all that tap-dancing. If you'll excuse me, I have to go vomit now...
Omni04
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hey everybody, im sure you are all familiar with www.wikipedia.com right?
well i looked and i cant find anything for The American Hunters and Shooters Association. Maybe somebody would be able to submit the entry! As long as it isn't too biased of course- but when i heard about this group that is the first place i looked.
maybe by adding that entry the thousands of people that frequent that site may get a little early education.
Unfortunatley i am not current enough on the issue to type up anything
well i looked and i cant find anything for The American Hunters and Shooters Association. Maybe somebody would be able to submit the entry! As long as it isn't too biased of course- but when i heard about this group that is the first place i looked.
maybe by adding that entry the thousands of people that frequent that site may get a little early education.
Unfortunatley i am not current enough on the issue to type up anything
ctdonath
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Not the first time...
Anyone remember California's "SKS Buyback" program some years ago? where CA allowed the registration of SKSs past a certain deadline, then went "oh, we're sorry, those are illegal now even though we accepted your registration paperwork, you'll have to turn them in ... just to help clear things up, go to sksbuyback.org for directions ..."
Uh-huh. Aside from the fact that sksbuyback.org suffered questionable accuracy regarding which SKSs were legal and which were not, likely leading to many legal ones being turned in as erroniously presumed illegal, there was another rather shocking behind-the-scenes fact:
The California government-promoted website sksbuyback.org was hosted in Australia and operated by someone in China. I kid you not. Two of us investigated & reported this, and as we probed we saw the hosting & operations registration hastily get changed to US addresses. (We got sksbuyback.COM set up, informing habitual ".com" typists of the illegality of CA's acts.)
Yes, our opponents use deceit in this fight ... and have very strange bedfellows.
Anyone remember California's "SKS Buyback" program some years ago? where CA allowed the registration of SKSs past a certain deadline, then went "oh, we're sorry, those are illegal now even though we accepted your registration paperwork, you'll have to turn them in ... just to help clear things up, go to sksbuyback.org for directions ..."
Uh-huh. Aside from the fact that sksbuyback.org suffered questionable accuracy regarding which SKSs were legal and which were not, likely leading to many legal ones being turned in as erroniously presumed illegal, there was another rather shocking behind-the-scenes fact:
The California government-promoted website sksbuyback.org was hosted in Australia and operated by someone in China. I kid you not. Two of us investigated & reported this, and as we probed we saw the hosting & operations registration hastily get changed to US addresses. (We got sksbuyback.COM set up, informing habitual ".com" typists of the illegality of CA's acts.)
Yes, our opponents use deceit in this fight ... and have very strange bedfellows.
Another good site with info on this sham front group...
http://gunlawnews.org/history/ahso.php
Some highlights
http://gunlawnews.org/history/ahso.php
Some highlights
Connecticut Yankee
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"the Real Goal Is To Fracture The Nra Before The Next Presidential Election"
"...There is every indication that they are a suborganization of the Democratic party. They are even in the same building as the Democratic Leadership Council. They will be happy to take money from gullible gun owners and use it against them and us. THE REAL GOAL IS TO FRACTURE THE POWER OF THE NRA BEFORE THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION SO THE Democrats FACE A LESS FORMIDABLE OPPONENT (caps. added). In no way is the gun rights block a monolithic voting block. Some will love this group; some will be deceived by it. Make no mistake. THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION (caps. added)."
Thanks AzRickD for finding this info!
"...There is every indication that they are a suborganization of the Democratic party. They are even in the same building as the Democratic Leadership Council. They will be happy to take money from gullible gun owners and use it against them and us. THE REAL GOAL IS TO FRACTURE THE POWER OF THE NRA BEFORE THE NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION SO THE Democrats FACE A LESS FORMIDABLE OPPONENT (caps. added). In no way is the gun rights block a monolithic voting block. Some will love this group; some will be deceived by it. Make no mistake. THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION (caps. added)."
Thanks AzRickD for finding this info!
John Rosenthal is a weasel and a well-known gun ban advocate. This organization is clearly a well-organized play to make democratic candidates more appeallable to the O/U and bolt rifle constituency out there that doesn't care about semiautos, or the Second Amendment. They're trying to divide and conquer.
They do state that they support S. 397 (Gun Manufacturer Immunity). Maybe that's a good sign that it'll pass...unless they mean "we support S. 397, as long as it includes all of our "reasonable" bans on semiautos, .50 cal rifles, magazines that hold more than 3 rounds, and other provisions."
They do state that they support S. 397 (Gun Manufacturer Immunity). Maybe that's a good sign that it'll pass...unless they mean "we support S. 397, as long as it includes all of our "reasonable" bans on semiautos, .50 cal rifles, magazines that hold more than 3 rounds, and other provisions."
NHBB
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being in the internet advertising industry... the amount of money it would require to make a strong advertising campain promoting faux advocacy groups is minimal with the money behind these people. for 30 grand a month you could make people believe there is a massive movement to introduce eating canines as an economical means of maintaining ultimate well being and nutrition.
NHBB
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and on that note, if we were to pool resources, we could easily create advertising propaganda to offset these people's agenda.
benEzra
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Here's John Rosenthal's own take on AHSA:
http://www.weeklydig.com/index.cfm/...9/nodeID/8ea67746-b4d9-4901-88ec-65210e243151
So AHSA is intended to be Stop Handgun Violence (one of the most extreme anti-gun organizations in the nation) on a national scale, with the stated purpose of bringing Massachusetts-style gun-owner harassment to YOUR state...
So there is absolutely no question at all where this group stands. None.
http://www.weeklydig.com/index.cfm/...9/nodeID/8ea67746-b4d9-4901-88ec-65210e243151
So AHSA is intended to be Stop Handgun Violence (one of the most extreme anti-gun organizations in the nation) on a national scale, with the stated purpose of bringing Massachusetts-style gun-owner harassment to YOUR state...
So there is absolutely no question at all where this group stands. None.
IZinterrogator
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That's not true. They don't even have to move their lips anymore to lie. They just talk out their @$$es instead.
bigun15
Member
My word. I read through that sites Emergency Scenarios basically for teens such as myself. Questions like "what to do if you find a gun, what if there's a school shooting, what if....etc." I want to puke. It makes it sound like the adults are gods that solve all of our teenage problems. I'll be damned before some of the adults I know are more responsible with a gun than me. They'd check to see if it's loaded by shooting at a wall. "Just tell an adult, and everything will be fine. Granted there are some times I would (such as the scenario where someone has a gun in their backpack). But look at this and tell me if I am wrong, why I am wrong, etc.
Right. I'm going to just "call out to a passerby." Do you know what it would be like to BE the passerby. "Hey you, I just found a gun. Could you call the cops for me?" Right.
</rant> Sorry. Sometimes you just have to get it off your shoulders, you know?
Well if it is four of my friends and I, I take out the magazine, check (and clear, if necessary) the chamber, and have one of my friends call the police. If I am alone I clear it, take it with me(so no one with bad intent can get it) and have a physical meeting with a police officer about it and tell him everything I know. Let's see what AHSA has to say:
Right. I'm going to just "call out to a passerby." Do you know what it would be like to BE the passerby. "Hey you, I just found a gun. Could you call the cops for me?" Right.
</rant> Sorry. Sometimes you just have to get it off your shoulders, you know?
AHSA sounds like a good idea
Ok, here goes first post. . .
Actually, when i saw AHSA, i thought to myself "pretty good", in favor of manufacturer immunity, and owning firearms for self defense. Seems like they know what it's all about, i guess all those people at THR are full o crap and just reacting to anything that isn't ALL GUNS FREELY NOW!
but
then i saw a little tidbit about the 50 caliber banning. And I noticed that they said that it had no self defense or hunting use. . . but said nothing about competition (i later learn that " FUN" is not a reason for them), which of course, the 50 cal is a great firearm for (honest, its for the competition, honey )
So i decided to do a little looking in on the executive directors, courtesy of thier list of people, and a google search with thier name and "gun"
Apparently everyone (except me) knew that rosenthal was anti-gun.
Well, here's a post by him
Let's look at the board of directors:
RICKER: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0609-05.htm
Board of Directors,
http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/related_docs/?doc=021104
Scroll down to the signatories.
About at this point, i found this linl, which did the work for me
http://triggerfinger.org/weblog/entry/6695.jsp
http://triggerfinger.org/weblog/entry/6695.jsp
I consider myself edmucated
Ok, here goes first post. . .
Actually, when i saw AHSA, i thought to myself "pretty good", in favor of manufacturer immunity, and owning firearms for self defense. Seems like they know what it's all about, i guess all those people at THR are full o crap and just reacting to anything that isn't ALL GUNS FREELY NOW!
but
then i saw a little tidbit about the 50 caliber banning. And I noticed that they said that it had no self defense or hunting use. . . but said nothing about competition (i later learn that " FUN" is not a reason for them), which of course, the 50 cal is a great firearm for (honest, its for the competition, honey
)So i decided to do a little looking in on the executive directors, courtesy of thier list of people, and a google search with thier name and "gun"
Apparently everyone (except me) knew that rosenthal was anti-gun.
Well, here's a post by him
Let's look at the board of directors:
RICKER: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0609-05.htm
Board of Directors,
http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/related_docs/?doc=021104
Scroll down to the signatories.
About at this point, i found this linl, which did the work for me
http://triggerfinger.org/weblog/entry/6695.jsp
http://triggerfinger.org/weblog/entry/6695.jsp
I consider myself edmucated
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As an American with a constitutional right to "bear arms" for the protection of my person and family (the natural and absolute fundamental right and responsible duty of every American man and woman) I find fault with our two political parties and "Government".
Witness New Orleans, the looting and raping thugs and the Mayor's confiscation program which violated our citizen's rights.
On a practical basis the Republican party does better with 2nd amendment than any other political party and therefore I will in most instances vote [B[/B] . With the likes of Kennedy, Schummer, Feinstein and numerous others to vote Democratic would be a "derilection of duty" as a human being, parent and, husband, and ....suicidal!
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This is my opinion:
As an American with a constitutional right to "bear arms" for the protection of my person and family (the natural and absolute fundamental right and responsible duty of every American man and woman) I find fault with our two political parties and "Government".
Witness New Orleans, the looting and raping thugs and the Mayor's confiscation program which violated our citizen's rights.
On a practical basis the Republican party does better with 2nd amendment than any other political party and therefore I will in most instances vote [B[/B] . With the likes of Kennedy, Schummer, Feinstein and numerous others to vote Democratic would be a "derilection of duty" as a human being, parent and, husband, and ....suicidal!
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