Joining the LEO ranks

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Phaetos

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I have decided to participate in our Sheriff's Reserve program. I feel that I need to do something for the community and this is what I feel is right. So far I have been told that I have a choice of a Sig P226, Glock 17/19 or a .357 revolver. I don't like the idea of carrying a revolver. Problem is I can't stand the grips on Sig's and Glocks. But in your esteemed opinions, which should I choose? And which model of the P226 should I look at?
 
There are many ways to serve your community besides becoming a cop. However, since that's your path to choose the Sig P226 is by far the superior weapon in the list of choices you provided.

Here's my choice and a link to the P226 on Sig's Website for you to look at:

P226 Blackwater
 
Do you have shooting experience with any of these guns? Let what you shoot best be your guide. The SIG is also available with the DAK (a form of short-stroke DAO) trigger system as well as conventional DA/SA. All current models have some sort of accessory rail, which I - as a civilian - don't care for, but a LEO would have a use for.
 
Please take no offense Werewolf but I am often leery of anyone who proclaims a certain firearm is the "best". While it may be the best for you others have different requirements.

Phaetos, I would pick the Glock but that's my choice. I carried a G17 for 7 years in a plainclothes job but I think the G19 is better for all around carry. Your armory seems to be lacking handguns so I'd suggest seeing if you can try them all, perhaps at a sheriff's department range session. If you can try them all out I'd go with the one you shoot best with.
 
May I take a moment and say congrats on your decision. I have been a RS for 4+ years now and it is absolutley one of the best things I have ever partaken in. You will find it rewarding and revolting all at the same time!:D

Now...........

- What is the majority of your fulltime deps carrying.

Our dep. is a "uniformed" department. Meaning we all carry the same duty weapon. This is great for some obvious reasons of interchangability and training, cost etc. I certainly like the idea of the option of swapping mags if the ballon goes up and we find ourselves in a fight and one of us goes down.
 
I too would take the Glock. You can always have the grips reduced slightly if they're to big.
 
You should shoot both for a while, everyone has a preference in my case I'd take the Sig, the weapon in general is excellent, in my opinion a higher class of firearm, and the grips are replaceable, you can get rubber Hogue grips or a number of other options.

Glock makes an OK product, it is a solid choice, magazine compatability is a pro.
 
seriously, try them all before buying. I was dead set on a G17 but the grips sucked, accuracy wasn't the best and I wasn't impressed by the construction. I bought a different pistol that was better in all three categories (ergo, accuracy and solid construction)

My point it, until you try them you want have a clue as to how they feel in your hand and how your hand will feel after putting 2k bullets down range :)
 
Please take no offense Werewolf but I am often leery of anyone who proclaims a certain firearm is the "best". While it may be the best for you others have different requirements.
No offense taken at all...

I've owned or still own each of the weapons mentioned. Here's why I prefer the Sig.

1. Grip angle is more natural. The Glock grip angle is just not ergonomic for me.
2. Trigger feels better (and is better) than the mushy feeling Glock trigger.

I tried for 2 years to get used to a Glock and just couldn't do it. The combination of the wierd grip angle and mushy trigger feel made it so I couldn't do better than 8" groups with one no matter how hard I tried. AND no it wasn't the guns - they were in tip top operating condition - it was me.

With the Sig (both a P226 and a P220) I was shooting 3" groups at 25 yards right out of the box.

Don't get me wrong - Glocks are great handguns. Mine always went bang every time I pulled the trigger. Easy to take down and clean, decent finish and accurate enough to do the job they were meant to do.

On the other hand the Sig is just as reliable, better looking, just as easy to take down and clean and way more accurate out of the box (at least in my hands) than the Glock. The only downside to the Sig is it's cost versus that of the Glock.

Both the Sig and the Glock are excellent weapons for any LEO. I just think the Sig is a better choice.
 
Halfacop, thank you for your support. It seems that no matter where I've asked this question, people want to discourage me from doing this. Must have something against cops. Anyway, a guy that is a deputy and does some of the training for the Reserve program told me to get the G17 for "Trust me on this... do everybody (yourself, most importantly) a favor and get a Glock 17." Must be everyone else has them too. Guess I will take a trip to the rental range next week and see what they got to offer to try.
 
Outstanding choice. My best friend is a RS and once I get out of the Corps, I'll be a full time Deputy.

Choose whatever gun you have the most experience with. If you HAVE to choose one of them, shoot them both and see how it works for you. I've fired the Glock and I've fired the Sig. I prefer the Sig because it feels better in my hands and it seems to point at the target more naturally.
 
Reserve LEO/COP/Peace-Officer folks get to do some really fun training at very reduced cost, plus a lot of what you do have to pay for out of your own pocket can be at least counted as a "business expense" at tax time.

I say get whichever gun most suits your tastes at the outset. If it meets your needs, that is all you really need to know. The debate over the relative superiority of a 16 oz. hammer versus a 16.5 oz. hammer will churn without making butter forever... rubber-grip/leather-grip... wood-shaft/fiberglass-shaft...
 
At least try the revolver. Some people can shoot them scary accurate......and fast.
 
At least try the revolver. Some people can shoot them scary accurate......and fast.
That's a NO Sheeter!

My oldest daughter (former Marine) for some reason can't shoot a semi even if her life depended on it. But put a revolver in her hand - especially a big one like my Taurus Raging Bull - and I wouldn't stand 200 yards down range from her. That girl is wicked accurate with revolvers and I don't understand it at all. No matter what I do (or the Marines it seemed), no matter how much time I spend with her she just doesn't seem able to handle a semi. Wierd - just wierd I'm tellin' ya.
 
My personal preference here would be for the Sig. I find the ergonomics much better for my hands, like the mechanism and find them very accurate. I have the same problem with some others that I just don't find the glock comfortable. Not as bad as say the Beretta 92 is for me.
 
For me the grips on a Sig are not bad but on the Glock they would take some getting used to. Don't over look a good S&W 686. Yes it has only 6 or 7 shots depending on the model. If you are worried about the ammo capacity just carry extra speedloaders or speedstrips. I carried one one many nights doing mobile security patrols at night and never felt out gunned. In my situation we had one patrol officer out at night with the local police as my only backup after my dispatcher called their dispatcher. A revolver is not always the worst choice. The grips can be changed to suit the user. It is difficult to add a flashlight or laser sight and other accessories. Most cops don't have a use for some of the fancy gadgets that some folks want to put on their gun. The other problem you might find with the revolver is finding a decent duty holster. Check what the department uses or allows. This is true of what ever you choose. The choice is ultimately yours. You must be comfortable enough to trust your life with the weapon you carry. Curently as a Dept. of the Army Civilian Police Officer I carry an auto on duty but would feel just as safe if we carried a good high quality .38 Spec or 357 Magnum revolver.
 
Whatever you choose, please take the time to learn how to use it under all conditions.I carried a Colt Trooper MkIII .357 6" when I was on the job 25 years ago.I was very proficient with it due to extensive training.The drawback with any revolver is the 6 shot capacity. That can be offset somewhat with speedloaders, but that takes practice.A smart cop will always have a 642 .38 in a pocket holster as a reliable BUG.Be safe! Chuck.
 
Are these weapons issued, or personal purchase, and how difficult is it to switch? You may be able to purchase a good pre-owned .357, and a spare, for less than a SIG. Glocks can be obtained at very low "letterhead" prices from distributors who serve the LE market. Regardless, I would try to find a way to shoot all three. Like Werewolf mentioned above, I tried Glocks for two years, and could only shoot so-so with them. I bought a SIG P229R with the DAK trigger, and the first time I shot it, COLD, it was on my agency's qual course, and I shot it better than I had ever shot a Glunck. As for sixguns, I make no claim to greatness, but I shoot medium/large-frame sixguns better than any other handgun. I am not worried; I shoot the SIG well enough at short range, and I work at night, where real-world engagements are usually very, very close, but I take advantage of the broadness of my agency's firearms policy, and carry TWO backup .357 revolvers to work with me. One is a concealed SP101 snubby, and the other, a 4" GP100, is kept cased in the front seat area. If I could turn the clock back to 1997, I would "grandfather" three or four .357 sixguns, under the old policy, so I could still wear a .357 in my duty holster. (I must now wear a .40 autoloader, bought with personal funds, chosen from a list of four models.) I was in one of my 1911 "phases" in 1997, though, and had foolishly set aside my sixguns for a few years, and grandfathered 1911s. (Long story, but I set the 1911s aside in 2002.) One more thing: Our guys and gals have the Glunck G22 and the SIG P229 as two of the duty pistol choices; I have heard MANY say they wish they had paid the higher price for the SIG. NONE who have chosen the SIG regretted the decision. The best "shots" in each academy class usually carry SIGs. BTW, they start with the decocker models, not DAK. The DAK is a gray area in our policy, and the cadets have to live in a black and white world. I hope some of my rambling might be useful. Good luck with your new career path.
 
Thanks Rexster, much appreciated input. I will be testing these two out next week to see which one I need to start saving for.
 
Do not discount a SW 686+ 7 rounds of .357 is a lot of power. And a full moon clip is available for reloads, although the cylinder has to be machined for it. Try one, you might like it!
 
Phaetos,I hated the Glock grip,but I wanted to shoot GSSF matches with my G/F,so I found a used G32 with a Robar grip reduction.I still hate standard Glock grips,but mine is sweet.

Thats said,with the choices you mention,I'd get the 226,and if the dept you're joining allows it,get one in 357sig.You can always get a 40 barrel if you don't like a firebreather...;)
 
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